I want to say that the only reason that I believe that I believe that Jesus (Esau) existed is because of my presuppositional belief that the Qur'an is the word of God.
If I did not believe that the Qur'an is the word of God I would not even believe that a person named Jesus (Esau) was a historical person.
For me personally I would be right in the same category as George A Wells, a man who wrote the book 'Did Jesus Exist'.
I find it amazing. It's just like Dr James White points out often: some Muslims, like thegrandverablizer, are so focused on disproving Christianity that they use sources and works of people who would also throw the Qur'an and Islam under the bus as well. I mean anyone who would deny that Jesus existed would also deny the virgin birth which the Qur'an does uphold as well as Jesus' sinlessness. Would thegrandverbalizer agree with Wells on these points as well? If so then does that mean that the Qur'an is only partly right?
I want to say I thank David Waltz, an amazing man who is a treasury trove of information for the introduction to the said book above. I think that Robert E Van Voorst and Craig Evans do the best job they can do for trying to provide evidence for the 'historical' Jesus.
I don't really get this paragraph. Is it that Dr Craig Evans and Dr Van Voorst agree with Waltz and Wells? What is it that thegrandverbalizer is commending them for?
It may seem strange that since the Qur'an comes hundreds of years after the New Testament manuscripts that my belief in the 'historical' Jesus would hinge upon a revelation that comes 700 years after the supposed time in which Jesus is said to have 'existed' and in fact hundreds of years after the collation of fragments that become the basis for today's New Testament text.
" in fact hundreds of years after the collation of fragments that become the basis for today's New Testament text."? Really? There is historical evidence and fragments of the New Testament less than 100 years older than when we think the autographs were written. I'd like to know why thegrandverbalizer is saying otherwise.
I would absolutely agree that it is very strange indeed. However, as I mentioned in my opening my belief in Jesus being a historical person hinges upon my belief that the Qur'an is the word of God. As the Qur'an mentions Jesus (Esau) and as I believe the Qur'an to be the word of God, I therefore believe that Jesus must have existed.
Wells would disagree with you about the Qur'an. Why would you believe him about the New Testament?
After reading the book 'Jesus outside of the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence' I am absolutely convinced that without my presuppositional belief in the Qur'an I would have no evidence upon which to believe that Jesus (Esau) even existed!
I'd like to know how thegrandverbalizer could ignore the evidence outside the Bible and the Qur'an showing that Jesus did exist?
Allah-willing I will begin a series that looks more closely at the claims and evidences put forth by the Author of the book. I will also show why after examining point by point all the claims put forward why I find all of them incredulous.
I'll be waiting to see if he can substantiate these bold claims. I guess all the anti-Christian scholars who agree that Jesus did live and was crucified are also wrong? What about Wells, who would deny that the Qur'an is the Word of God? Is he wrong?
If I no longer were to believe in the Qur'an, Christianity would be absolutely out of the question. The reason being is because I have absolutely no basis upon which to believe that Jesus even existed other than my presuppostional belief that the Qur'an is the word of God; and that the Qur'an mentions Jesus (Esau).
"When the foundations are being destroyed, what can the righteous do?" (Psalm 11:3)
Yes, indeed. how can thegrandverbalizer take Wells' arguments against the Bible concerning Jesus' existence and not apply it against the Qur'an. "Presuppositional approaches" are not a license for ignoring logic and consistency.
Islam and Christianity A Common Word: Why I Believe Jesus Never Existed.....however