tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post1560749019593695242..comments2024-02-29T23:54:20.606-08:00Comments on What had happen' was.....: FacePlant of the Day - Debunking Christianity: The Force of the Problem of Suffering vs the Evidence for Christianitymmcelhaneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comBlogger150125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-86768500279951566322012-12-05T12:47:14.703-08:002012-12-05T12:47:14.703-08:00I'm honest enough to admit that if it was the ...<b>I'm honest enough to admit that if it was the case.</b><br /><br />Guess not.<br /><br /><b> but it's my position one should provisionally believe unfalsifiable things to be false. </b><br /><br />Why? <br /><br /><b>if you can't know if it's true, it's not worth your time believing one way or another about it.</b><br /><br />Ok, I get this is what you believe. I reject that one can't know that the Bible is true. If you don't know if the Bible is true it's because you don't understand the evidence. This is where we epistemologically disagree.<br /><br /><b>your epistemological school of thought is not... um... how you say? Mainstream? OK, it's not even accepted by anyone on earth as legitimate other than yourself and people who think the moon landing was faked (and the like). </b><br /><br />So...mainstream means only people who agree with you. I don't believe the moon landing was fake or that the holocaust did not happen. But there are many scholars that agree with me that you cannot just assume something is false because you can't demonstrate that it's false. They would think that being an agnostic and atheist simultaneously is at all rational. <br /><br />I don't think you have adequately explain why you can reject something as false that you think is "unfalsifiable".<br /><br />mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-33574818755159269622012-12-05T12:00:07.617-08:002012-12-05T12:00:07.617-08:00Now are you honest enough to admit that not being ...<b>Now are you honest enough to admit that not being able to prove something is wrong does not excuse you to believe it's false?</b><br /><br />I'm honest enough to admit that if it was the case. But it all depends on your school of epistemological thought(1), but it's my position one should provisionally <i>believe</i> unfalsifiable things to be false. And because it's unfalsifiable, there's no proving it's true either, so the provisional becomes perpetual. In short, if you can't know if it's true, it's not worth your time believing one way or another about it. Granted, if pressed about one's belief (as opposed to one's actual knowledge) one can take a position without losing too much skin off their nose. In a way, this is why I think it's rational to identify as both an agnostic and atheist. The former addresses knowledge, the latter belief. <br /><br />(1)your epistemological school of thought is not... um... how you say? Mainstream? OK, it's not even accepted by anyone on earth as legitimate other than yourself and people who think the moon landing was faked (and the like). Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-88040281442471635972012-12-05T11:16:11.756-08:002012-12-05T11:16:11.756-08:00Dude, the corner is yours.Dude, the corner is yours.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-59978258189902341822012-12-05T11:15:19.830-08:002012-12-05T11:15:19.830-08:00The bottom line is that not being able to prove so...<b>The bottom line is that not being able to prove something wrong does not excuse you to believe it’s true. </b>><br /><br />We finally agree on something. Now are you honest enough to admit that not being able to prove something is wrong does not excuse you to believe it's false?mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-8063281457681283932012-12-05T10:53:49.822-08:002012-12-05T10:53:49.822-08:00I don't understand your point
No doubt. The...<b>I don't understand your point</b><br /> <br />No doubt. The reason I harp on this with you is that it’s a foundational problem for you. I’ve said your epistemology is flawed before and this is why. Every time we argue and you get into a corner, your Alamo is always “unfalsifiability”. It’s the same thing I’ve seen holocaust deniers, Obama Birthers and 9/11 Truthers do and it’s not rational. The bottom line is that not being able to prove something wrong does not excuse you to believe it’s true. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-24498403628321373792012-12-05T09:59:26.257-08:002012-12-05T09:59:26.257-08:00It doesn't mean that either, not in the proper...<b>It doesn't mean that either, not in the proper sense. This is the trap conspiracy theorists fall into, and the only reason I continue to harp on it with you....</b><br /><br />So you are harping on the meaning of "unfalsifiable" because it does not mean that something is not false? Did you read the rest of the rest of the comment or did you stop there? Because it does not mean something is true either. I don't understand your point. I think the problem is you have no point and just like to pointlessly "harp"mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-16837540216031472132012-12-05T03:11:52.793-08:002012-12-05T03:11:52.793-08:00My point has always been that "unfalsifiable&...<b>My point has always been that "unfalsifiable" does not mean false.</b><br /><br />It doesn't mean that either, not in the proper sense. This is the trap conspiracy theorists fall into, and the only reason I continue to harp on it with you....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-46044264004463748252012-12-04T20:23:59.234-08:002012-12-04T20:23:59.234-08:00I'll help you out. You seem to use it in the s...<b>I'll help you out. You seem to use it in the sense that something that's true is unfalsifiable. See comment from yesterday at 114pm. Hint: that's wrong... </b><br /><br />You're the one that needs help. Your bias is messing with your reading comprehension. I'm not intending no such thing. You like to cry "unfalsifiability" because you can pretend that you don't have to contend with what is true. My point has always been that "unfalsifiable" does not mean false. It doesn't mean true either. Which is why you like to punt to it. Problem is that when a religion makes truth claims, many of them can be tested. That means they are not unfalsifiable. Christian claims about Jesus are either true or they are not. You can't cry "Unfalsifiable" all you want but you can't then come back and say the Bible is wrong just because you lack the tools to understand it. And you do lack the tools. mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-22233439213909597472012-12-04T18:45:16.490-08:002012-12-04T18:45:16.490-08:00We've been over what "unfalsifiable"...<b>We've been over what "unfalsifiable" means.</b><br /><br />When?<br /><br /><b>Why don't you demonstrate a single time where I have misused it.</b><br /><br />As a rule, see the comment preceding the one where I said you didn't know what unfalsifiable means. <br /><br />I'll help you out. You seem to use it in the sense that something that's true is unfalsifiable. See comment from yesterday at 114pm. Hint: that's wrong...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-64284069514156702212012-12-04T17:43:41.466-08:002012-12-04T17:43:41.466-08:00you don't dictate anything to me. We've be...you don't dictate anything to me. We've been over what "unfalsifiable" means. I've got nothing to prove. No Need. You have accused me of not knowing what it means. Why don't you demonstrate a single time where I have misused it. You know...back up your accusation. You might have some luck with that, because you got nothing else. mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-15083579237970890422012-12-04T03:18:59.429-08:002012-12-04T03:18:59.429-08:00So, ok, great, anyway, if you have told us what yo...So, ok, great, anyway, if you have told us what you think "unfalsifiable" means and I missed it (as opposed to the numerous times you've dodged the subject) then go ahead and let me know what it was you said and when.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-70111888512137857132012-12-03T19:16:56.512-08:002012-12-03T19:16:56.512-08:00You can't demonstrate the Bible is false nor a...You can't demonstrate the Bible is false nor any passage from it. you are unwilling to accept any evidence whatsoever and would rather whine because you have no good argument AGAINST Christianity or the Bible. And because this is too difficult for you you want to change the focus of this and try to accuse me of not knowing what "unfalsifiable' means. I know what it means. Do you? Because the way you use it is "Waaaah!!! Help! I have no good argument!"mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-8407692409482088162012-12-03T18:24:45.163-08:002012-12-03T18:24:45.163-08:00Already been over that.
You've actually not. ...<b>Already been over that.</b><br /><br />You've actually not. But please, if you have and I missed it (as opposed to the numerous times you've dodged the subject) then go ahead and let me know what it was you said and when. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-82122101607524314752012-12-03T16:43:57.746-08:002012-12-03T16:43:57.746-08:00Already been over that. Doesn't matter how oft...Already been over that. Doesn't matter how often you cry about it, it doesn't make your rejection of Christianity rational. mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-31635726162152649222012-12-03T16:41:58.863-08:002012-12-03T16:41:58.863-08:00Would you please just tell the class what you thin...Would you please just tell the class what you think "unfalsifiable" means?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-54402623104898733142012-12-03T16:39:17.440-08:002012-12-03T16:39:17.440-08:00You are the one who seems to think crying "un...You are the one who seems to think crying "unfalsifiable" is a valid argument. Hint: It's not. mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-12477447194417665082012-12-03T15:49:35.599-08:002012-12-03T15:49:35.599-08:00Are you 12.Are you 12.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-25407785478244022502012-12-03T15:08:12.747-08:002012-12-03T15:08:12.747-08:00Yes that's it. embrace your failure.Yes that's it. embrace your failure.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-13019585363485940122012-12-03T14:55:14.852-08:002012-12-03T14:55:14.852-08:00Well said.Well said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-33596366974088761902012-12-03T14:35:14.978-08:002012-12-03T14:35:14.978-08:00A little louder...I can't hear you over the so...A little louder...I can't hear you over the sound of your failuremmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-77968094149721942182012-12-03T13:39:49.858-08:002012-12-03T13:39:49.858-08:00Thanks for demonstrating you don't know what &...Thanks for demonstrating you don't know what "prove" or "unfalsifiable" mean.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-54861087809723349412012-12-03T13:14:33.863-08:002012-12-03T13:14:33.863-08:00Thanks for admitting you can't prove the Bible...Thanks for admitting you can't prove the Bible wrong. mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-26663250822126824172012-12-03T12:49:17.495-08:002012-12-03T12:49:17.495-08:00And back to unfalsifiale!!! Fun!And back to unfalsifiale!!! Fun!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-74861148767493367262012-12-03T11:30:11.022-08:002012-12-03T11:30:11.022-08:00I never said that it was plain for you or should b...I never said that it was plain for you or should be.<br /><br />For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. - 1 Corinthians 1:18mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-55236578160676186052012-12-03T03:31:48.557-08:002012-12-03T03:31:48.557-08:00Oh wait, it's plain again?Oh wait, it's plain again?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com