tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post3376596204076143248..comments2024-02-29T23:54:20.606-08:00Comments on What had happen' was.....: Debunking Christianity: The Psychological Pull of the Christian Storymmcelhaneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-6948690150207833462010-08-18T12:50:22.675-07:002010-08-18T12:50:22.675-07:00Response: http://mmcelhaney.blogspot.com/2010/08/e...Response: <a href="http://mmcelhaney.blogspot.com/2010/08/every-jot-and-titttle.html" rel="nofollow">http://mmcelhaney.blogspot.com/2010/08/every-jot-and-titttle.html</a>mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-35153135092282620442010-08-18T10:23:57.780-07:002010-08-18T10:23:57.780-07:00I'd be curious to know where you find scriptur...I'd be curious to know where you find scriptural support for the idea that there are divisions in the law, such as ceremonial law, dietary law, etc..<br /><br />And even if you find some or stretch something else to accommodate yourself, you are still stuck with the very inconvenient line about <b>jots and tittles</b>. Surely even the parts about the harvest are included in <b>every jot and tittle</b><br /><br /><b>how do you explain those who become born-again who were not raised as Christians or in a Christian context?</b><br /><br />Missionaries? Also, probably the same way I'd explain Christians leaving the faith or becoming Muslim, Buddhist, etc...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-59306123434110116562010-08-17T16:18:07.522-07:002010-08-17T16:18:07.522-07:00Who said the truth is written at various levels of...Who said the truth is written at various levels of intensities? The Bible doesn't.<br /><br />The laws varying according to time and place are a different matter. Look at the practical laws concerning harvesting. I live in a city. Was that law written for me? The ceremonial laws were for ancient theocratic Israel meant to point to Christ, why do you think they should apply today given that Messiah has already come? <br /><br />If the pull of Christianity was only because people are raised in it, how do you explain those who become born-again who were not raised as Christians or in a Christian context?<br /><br />Of course you don't have the "problem of evil", your a relativist. <br /><br />I'm glad Eric has been talking to you. Listen to Him.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-86255646129109790782010-08-17T15:19:43.985-07:002010-08-17T15:19:43.985-07:00Yeah, but I can't imagine an omnipotent and om...Yeah, but I can't imagine an omnipotent and omnibenevolent god would write the truth on our hearts with various intensities or not all for some people. Nor one that would write different laws for different times and cultures. <br /><br />I think the "pull" of christianity for today's westerner is that western civilization has been steeping in the story for 1650 years. Probably the same reasons Muslims like Islam.<br /><br />Not that the problem of evil was ever really an objection of mine. <br /><br />Also, I wouldn't say I "like" Eric's comments, but he's a very bright and well educated guy and arguing with him is a good sounding board to make sure one's position is intellectually honest. <br /><br /><br />PS: There's no hell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-75141975029291117122010-08-17T12:54:06.378-07:002010-08-17T12:54:06.378-07:00Ryan, I agree that something compelling does not e...Ryan, I agree that something compelling does not equal truth. However there is no mutual exclusivity either when it comes to something compelling and truth. I agree and i thought i was clear that Loftus is indeed arguing that God has not written anything on our heart. I'm saying that it's compelling because God did write the truth on our hearts. You and Loftus just live out Paul's words in Romans 1.<br /><br />As for Eric's comments, I will look them up. Thank you. I'm glad you like his comments. all I can say is I'm glad about that! maybe he can get through to you because I don't want you to go to hell. I hope you listen to him.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-63402588987282377512010-08-16T18:36:15.683-07:002010-08-16T18:36:15.683-07:00I think John's point was that regardless how c...I think John's point was that regardless how compelling something is, it has nothing to do with it's truth. <br /><br />I can't speak for John, but his approach seems to be to strike at various apologetic arguments. <br /><br />I read this post of his as a directed critique of the christian "god is written on our hearts" argument and I don't think you should read more into it than that. <br /><br />PS: I have no delusisions of "deconverting" you, so I wanted to let you know you really should follow "Eric's" comments on Loftus' blog if you'd like to grow as a christian intellectual.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com