tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post3771285248260236693..comments2024-02-29T23:54:20.606-08:00Comments on What had happen' was.....: FacePalm of the Day #86 - Debunking Christianity: Jesus Was Baptized for His Sinsmmcelhaneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-30316179435933066972011-06-12T21:37:20.907-07:002011-06-12T21:37:20.907-07:00Translation of what you said: Nuh uh! MeaninglessTranslation of what you said: Nuh uh! Meaninglessmmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-68783310894553793072011-06-11T12:54:02.775-07:002011-06-11T12:54:02.775-07:00No, it doesn't.No, it doesn't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-8721753805248520002011-06-11T11:08:35.180-07:002011-06-11T11:08:35.180-07:00The evidence points to the Bible being the Word of...The evidence points to the Bible being the Word of God (which you reject, you think its flawed and has mistakes and can't prove that). That is why I say you choose to believe what you want and ignore evidence.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-19487538344101091342011-06-11T10:31:24.799-07:002011-06-11T10:31:24.799-07:00You don't need the Bible to back you up so you...<b>You don't need the Bible to back you up so you do believe what ever you want. It doesn't back you up so you can believe what ever you want. It isn't you final authority.</b><br /><br />No it isn't an authority, but it doesn't follow from the rest of you comment that that means I can can believe whatever I want. I believe what is rationally supported with evidence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-10177702028838179152011-06-11T09:36:14.303-07:002011-06-11T09:36:14.303-07:00You don't need the Bible to back you up so you...You don't need the Bible to back you up so you do believe what ever you want. It doesn't back you up so you can believe what ever you want. It isn't you final authority.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-50844454045366831142011-06-11T03:01:10.626-07:002011-06-11T03:01:10.626-07:00You don't need the Bible to bake you us...
[...<b>You don't need the Bible to bake you us...</b> <br /><br />[sic? What in the world????]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-52163321600120130512011-06-10T21:40:01.583-07:002011-06-10T21:40:01.583-07:00You don't need the Bible to bake you us so you...You don't need the Bible to bake you us so you do believe what ever you want. It doesn't back you up so you can believe what ever you want. It isn't you final authority.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-60236200389337935352011-06-10T03:12:24.603-07:002011-06-10T03:12:24.603-07:00I wish I could...I wish I could...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-18308715682262720842011-06-10T01:55:38.397-07:002011-06-10T01:55:38.397-07:00You do.You do.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-90067138394897215872011-06-09T16:25:01.221-07:002011-06-09T16:25:01.221-07:00You believe what you like.You believe what you like.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-8742975425991778472011-06-09T10:18:38.577-07:002011-06-09T10:18:38.577-07:00Do you even know what "baptism of repentance ...Do you even know what "baptism of repentance means? Do you even understand what water baptism is for? That is the crux of this issue. Jesus was baptized not for himself but for us. He modeled what we are supposed to be and what we are supposed to do.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-8673619339713407822011-06-09T03:19:08.765-07:002011-06-09T03:19:08.765-07:00Mark 1:4 actually says "...a baptism of repen...Mark 1:4 actually says "...a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins." which is what he then did to Jesus in 1:9. In the water...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-81808553972720800682011-06-08T20:56:58.839-07:002011-06-08T20:56:58.839-07:00Ryan you don't know Kione Greek either. And yo...Ryan you don't know Kione Greek either. And you yourself says that <b>"into" or "for" doesn't make a difference.</b>. Proving my point for me: Jesus was not baptised as remission for sin. Mark 1:4 says "Baptism of Repentance" which is not referring to just water baptism. It's referring to more. Water baptism does not change you. It's just symbolic of what is internal. Again this is TGBaker is wrong. If you can't see that, its explains a lot about your spiritual condition.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-30908809979961538862011-06-08T16:25:58.576-07:002011-06-08T16:25:58.576-07:00Marcus, you do not know koine. Prove me wrong if ...Marcus, you do not know koine. Prove me wrong if you like. But like I said, "into" or "for" doesn't make a difference. How's this for "context"? John was baptizing people for the remission of sins (1:4), then he baptized Jesus (1:9). This is altered in the other gospels. Nothing TG said is incorrect and you've not even begun to show that it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-10594060326708879792011-06-08T15:22:53.778-07:002011-06-08T15:22:53.778-07:00In the Bible, unrepentant sinners don't get ba...In the Bible, unrepentant sinners don't get baptized. Believers do as an outward sign of the change that happened internally. GTBaker's post makes sense if there were no cases in the Bible of people being saved apart from being Baptized. However there is. Being Baptized does not necessarily equal that there are sins to remit.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-66932835234489764112011-06-08T15:18:17.870-07:002011-06-08T15:18:17.870-07:00No I'm not. I was looking for a place that say...No I'm not. I was looking for a place that says the Jesus was baptized for the remission of <b>his</b> sins. And clearly, from the whole of scripture, it's not the water that takes away sin. Mark 1:4 does not imply you get your sins taken away because you get baptized. <br /><br />Looking up a Strong's number does not tell you everything you need to know to read Greek. Let me help you out: syntax and context. U need the to understand what the text is saying. The translators of the NIV know this. Apparently, you don't. If you listen to yesterday's <a href="http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=4663" rel="nofollow">Dividing Line webcast</a> it will help you with that little tidbit. You should listen to this <a href="http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=4658" rel="nofollow">one</a> toommcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-55412209540321408992011-06-08T14:58:33.411-07:002011-06-08T14:58:33.411-07:00I would like to know which manuscripts TGBaker is ...<b>I would like to know which manuscripts TGBaker is getting this from. The Phrase "into the remission of sins" is not in Mark 1:9</b><br /><br />You’re actually looking for Mark 1:4, “εγενετο ιωαννης βαπτιζων εν τη ερημω και κηρυσσων βαπτισμα μετανοιας <b><i>εις</i></b> αφεσιν αμαρτιων”. NIV translates “εις” as “for”, and that works, but TG is right, “εις” is more accurately “from state x into state y”. See #1519 in Strong’s. You need to read 1:9 with 1:4 in mind. With that said you may want reread TG’s post and then revise most if not all of your original post. <br /><br />Also, the fact that you didn't know "into the remission of sins" occurred 5 verses prior to where you were looking causes me to question your credientials as a True Christian®Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com