tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post7172114085231203148..comments2024-02-29T23:54:20.606-08:00Comments on What had happen' was.....: Debunking Christianity: Is God Necessary for Morality? Hell NO! - I Don't Think Sommcelhaneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-91330375237017467452010-08-25T10:47:20.469-07:002010-08-25T10:47:20.469-07:00Nope still wrong.Nope still wrong.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-57808887120890499142010-08-06T13:02:45.494-07:002010-08-06T13:02:45.494-07:00No matter where you go, sleeping with someone else...<b>No matter where you go, sleeping with someone else' wife is wrong (as an example).</b><br /><br />Not if you went to a swingers meet up. Not my thing, but hey, to each their own.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-22736382681633050402010-08-06T12:39:57.890-07:002010-08-06T12:39:57.890-07:00I want you to say it clearly. Kagan and Antony are...I want you to say it clearly. Kagan and Antony are wrong in your opinion. Correct? Also realized that they and I would disagree about objecticve morality never being observed. No matter where you go, sleeping with someone else' wife is wrong (as an example). <br /><br />Oh and thinking that William Lane Craig looses every debate...that is just you.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-8171905777878596872010-08-06T10:45:29.493-07:002010-08-06T10:45:29.493-07:00Marcus said What makes them wrong and you right? ...Marcus said <b>What makes them wrong and you right?</b> The fact that no one has observed objective morality in practice would be my argument. <br /><br />I read an article that cited the Loftus/D'Souza post-debate surveys. As for WLC, he loses every debate I've watched, but that's just me :) I'm pretty sure lot more people think he wins.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-57621234405904364162010-08-06T10:23:12.424-07:002010-08-06T10:23:12.424-07:00Ryan, you said:
isn't God. Human's share ...Ryan, you said:<br /><br /><b>isn't God. Human's share a common biology, and I would imagine a component of morality, however minor, comes from biology. Better?</b><br /><br />Nope, not better. You didn't answer my question. You disagree with Kagan and Antony as whether or not Morality is relative and objective. What makes them wrong and you right? They cannot give the answer you gave for the origin of Morality. How do you know you are right?<br /><br />I agree that winning a debate doesn't make you right, but I'd be interested on how do you know most people agreed D'Souza won against the Loftus (I agree he did). However do you think that most people think WLC lost those debates against Kagan and Antony? How do you tell that.<br /><br />Debates are not about finding "who's right" it's about watching two positions on the same subject and coming to your own conclusion.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-76978429829827572662010-08-06T03:43:53.648-07:002010-08-06T03:43:53.648-07:00Saying it can't be God isn't an effective ...<b>Saying it can't be God isn't an effective argument.</b><br /><br />I isn't God. Human's share a common biology, and I would imagine a component of morality, however minor, comes from biology. Better?<br /><br />Actually, that last comment was more of a throw away joke based on your comment <b>"I have wondered do atheists think they win any debates?</b>.<br /><br />Clearly a lot of people think they do. And a lot don't. Debates debates are pretty much worthless for determining "who's right" and should be reserved for entertainment. There are probably a handful of people who think John Loftus "beat" Dinesh D'Souza in their debate because they like John and agree with his position. There was a vast majority of people however who agreed that D'Souza won, regardless how wrong D'Souza was.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-85384040719647437882010-08-05T22:25:31.268-07:002010-08-05T22:25:31.268-07:00Nope we can't. I'm interested as to what y...Nope we can't. I'm interested as to what you thought about Antony's and Kagan's positions. She outright disagrees with everything you have said about moral codes! She rejects relative morality. Is she wrong? I think she and I agree on more than you agree with her. She just disagrees to the source of objective morality not the fact that there is a core source of moral codes and they are objectively true no matter what we think about them. Since you disagree then you must not have been rooting for anyone in that debate. WLC's arguments stood up because neither Kagan nor Antony would throw out objective morality but could not give a source for it. Saying it can't be God isn't an effective argument.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-32377259940449239952010-08-05T18:43:22.787-07:002010-08-05T18:43:22.787-07:00I still don't get this. We observe moral code...I still don't get this. We observe moral codes that vary across different countries, regions, times, religions, sects, etc... etc... <br /><br />Granted, you can always point to some higher platonic ideal, but it's simply your subjection version of a "platonic ideal of morality" and there's absolutly no consensus on what that ideal should be (across various countries, regions, times, religions, sects, etc... etc...)<br /><br />PS: additionally, this post is evidence that people get out of debates what they want to get out of debates (I thought the opposite of you in regards to all of them, we both can't be right...).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com