tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post8055590021576229932..comments2024-02-29T23:54:20.606-08:00Comments on What had happen' was.....: Is there a Connection Between Jesus and Perseus?mmcelhaneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-595366568207529332011-03-04T19:46:59.637-08:002011-03-04T19:46:59.637-08:00Sounds like you are the one with the pride problem...Sounds like you are the one with the pride problem. It's not my fault that you can't form good argument, write decent bibliographies, and have to resort to name calling because that is all you have.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-26346539568887622322011-03-04T19:38:50.397-08:002011-03-04T19:38:50.397-08:00The point that Perseus is not an archetype of Jesu...The point that Perseus is not an archetype of Jesus or Christianity is not what we have been discussing. What we have been arguing is the drivel that you can't prove that Perseus had a resurrection and just how much was the influence of Greece was there on Judaism. All of which you failed to prove anything.<br /><br />You remind me of Psalms 14:1mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-45694996278474737152011-03-04T18:19:29.168-08:002011-03-04T18:19:29.168-08:00It's humorous to me that about 34 comments ago...It's humorous to me that about 34 comments ago, I essentially agreed with you and conceded the point, but you still have an insatiable need to prove to yourself that you are right. You bring to my mind Proverbs 16:18.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-63764451480330139982011-03-04T13:49:55.441-08:002011-03-04T13:49:55.441-08:00APA is the standard Footnote, Endnote, and Bibliog...APA is the standard Footnote, Endnote, and Bibliography format standard used in Psychology. There are many others. You know, listing the exact title, author, page numbers, publisher, and publisher's date is standard among them all...and really helps if you actually expect someone else to follow what you have done.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-17705077061788571282011-03-04T13:09:56.743-08:002011-03-04T13:09:56.743-08:00I got an 96 on the paper, and other fragments were...I got an 96 on the paper, and other fragments were referenced the same way, so I'm not sure what to tell you. Perhaps the Humanities follow a different standard, I don't recall.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-45395356933987730092011-03-04T10:03:24.122-08:002011-03-04T10:03:24.122-08:00I'd bet you didn't even find the reference...<b>I'd bet you didn't even find the reference.</b><br /><br /><i>And you'd be wrong.</i><br /><br />And my error would be easy to confirm if you could write a decent bibliography.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-25791098459055489252011-03-04T03:05:15.828-08:002011-03-04T03:05:15.828-08:00I'd bet you didn't even find the reference...<b>I'd bet you didn't even find the reference.</b><br /><br />And you'd be wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-80613413627428510232011-03-03T20:41:43.924-08:002011-03-03T20:41:43.924-08:00I'd bet you didn't even find the reference...I'd bet you didn't even find the reference. You never held it in your hands and chased it down. My professors would have dinged you for it. You would have never made it with laziness like that. You can't provide any proof that you are right or even prove such a reference exist. Pathetic. <br /><br /><b>PS: if I were you, I'd consider asking Berkeley for your money back on any English and Web Design classes you took.</b><br /><br />Really, sad. You can't mount any serious defense of your position so you resort to ridicule and mockery as if your ignorance is my fault. Take a long look in the mirror.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-28323610920929559442011-03-03T18:31:52.038-08:002011-03-03T18:31:52.038-08:00Apparently "Proitos and Danae, Pindar ff"...Apparently "Proitos and Danae, Pindar ff" was adequate for Dr. Flick. <br /><br />PS: if I were you, I'd consider asking Berkeley for your money back on any English and Web Design classes you took.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-20498657025970192732011-03-03T18:30:48.210-08:002011-03-03T18:30:48.210-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-58954084149356809792011-03-03T14:03:51.719-08:002011-03-03T14:03:51.719-08:00Did you go to the library and verify any of it whe...Did you go to the library and verify any of it when you wrote this "paper"?mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-90340139315534482192011-03-03T14:03:12.803-08:002011-03-03T14:03:12.803-08:00You said you wrote a paper. Didn't you documen...You said you wrote a paper. Didn't you document it? Maybe you weren't interested enough from the start. Very shoddy scholarship.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-43599935631799113432011-03-03T13:50:48.140-08:002011-03-03T13:50:48.140-08:00Remember when I told you I didn't have enough ...Remember when I told you I didn't have enough interest in this to go to the library. You can want in one hand and s#!t in the other and see which one fills up faster. <br /><br />Also, I personally know a very dumb person who has a BS and an MS from Berkeley. Just saying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-39186187327040869072011-03-03T13:30:29.983-08:002011-03-03T13:30:29.983-08:00But then I did go to Berkeley.But then I did go to Berkeley.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-43410749850634184862011-03-03T13:29:54.180-08:002011-03-03T13:29:54.180-08:00I want the name of the Codex and what book was it ...I want the name of the Codex and what book was it that you read the contents of Pindar's fragment in. Please? When I was in college I had to make footnotes and endnotes and bibliography using popular academic formatting and standards like APA.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-45488592891038976862011-03-03T11:47:50.712-08:002011-03-03T11:47:50.712-08:00Where is the full Bibliography entry?Where is the full Bibliography entry?mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-32524354138162644092011-03-03T11:36:58.204-08:002011-03-03T11:36:58.204-08:00If you are referring to the Septuagint...
I wasn&...<b>If you are referring to the Septuagint...</b><br /><br />I wasn't, obviously that's a big one, but ultimately is just a translation. See the links for the more subtle effects on Judaism. <br /><br /><b>Didn't you have to use APA format or something?</b><br /><br />Apparently not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-75458427269570532442011-03-03T10:51:58.721-08:002011-03-03T10:51:58.721-08:00I think you underestimate the subtle influences th...<b>I think you underestimate the subtle influences that "culture" has on everything. We can see it in the Old Testament (see links).</b><br /><br />If you are referring to the Septuagint, yup. However "cultural" changes and doctrinal changes and Worldviws changing tom match Greek ones in another story. Again, you are not addressing my questions. Grant it...many Jews felt the tugging of Greco-Roman culture. How do you explain the lengths they went through to avoid it and mitigate it? And it would seem that they did the same thing with the scriptures. The apocryphal texts between Malachi and the New Testament were never part of Jewish canon. Why? They were too Greek and not Jewish enough. But they were used but not considered the same authority as the 39 books we call the Old Testament. Was Hellenization a factor? Yup. Was it a factor to the degree you are tying to make it? No.<br /><br /><b>The bibliography on a paper I typed on a type writer in 1993. Like I've said, a fraction of all scholarship is on the internet. I'm sure you can find it based on my bibliography entry at a university. Is UCLA near by? </b><br /><br />Berkely is close by but you didn't give the whole Bibliographical Reference. Didn't you have to use APA format or something?mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-11735403938121052152011-03-03T10:38:50.274-08:002011-03-03T10:38:50.274-08:00I think you underestimate the subtle influences th...I think you underestimate the subtle influences that "culture" has on everything. We can see it in the Old Testament (see links). <br /><br /><b>What Bibliography are you looking at?</b><br /><br />The bibliography on a paper I typed on a type writer in 1993. Like I've said, a fraction of all scholarship is on the internet. I'm sure you can find it based on my bibliography entry at a university. Is UCLA near by?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-31540958713647962592011-03-03T10:07:22.661-08:002011-03-03T10:07:22.661-08:00Well, I notice most of your question are 1) not qu...<b>Well, I notice most of your question are 1) not question and 2) essentially the same thing. Basically they all reduce to "Can you show that Jewish [insert aspect] changed because of Hellenistic influence.</b><br /><br />I don't think you really read anything but just jump to conclusions. Did you not understand me when I took my time to explain that you are using Hellenization to refer to the broad influence Greek culture would have made on the Jewish people and then applying that to say that the Writers of the NEW Testament had to be influenced by the Greeks. When I disagreed I was referring to what they Believed and was willing to die for and their worldviews. I see many differences between the worldview of 1st Century Jews, presented in Josephus and the New Testament, and classical Greco-Roman culture. I get the feeling that you disagree with that statement. I was asking for proof that Judaism became like Greek, not that Greek did not have an influence.<br /><br /><br /><br />These links don't respond to any of the points that I brought up. Jewish rebellion under the Maccabees was a resistance over Hellenization. I never denied that Greco-Roman Culture did not impact on Jews. I denied what you said about the writers of the New Testament. There is no evidence that they, the pious Jews of the 1st Century AD were so Hellenized that they would take such pagan influences to serve their needs. The links you gave don't cut it. I'm asking about the details. You are still on the surface. You seem to think that I am denying any Greek influence on Judean culture and I'm not. Let me spell it out: There is no evidence that anything written in the New or Old Testaments came from any previous source when you compare them. You have given no answer to all the examples I gave as to how Jews resisted being Hellenized - and that includes the times of the New Testament. I was hoping that you could do better than this. <br /><br /><br /><b>Pindar's fragment was in an codex at the University of Central Florida. The professors name was Robert Flick. My bibligraphy[sic] entry merely states "Proitos and Danae, Pindar ff". Wish I could provide more.</b><br /><br />What was the name of the codex? What Bibliography are you looking at? What book? If you can't give anymore information than this, it makes me think that you haven't really looked it yourself (since you said you didn't care). I thimnk that you have confused two stories of Perseus. The only reference I can find to Athena and Hermes helping Perseus across the ocean is when he went to see the blind sisters (who shared a single eye and a tooth) to find out where Medusa was. Perseus used a pair of sandals with wings on them. Perseus' fight with MEGAPENTHES would have been many years after that.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-40456494694023416222011-03-03T03:42:45.020-08:002011-03-03T03:42:45.020-08:00Well, I notice most of your question are 1) not qu...Well, I notice most of your question are 1) not question and 2) essentially the same thing. Basically they all reduce to "Can you show that Jewish [insert aspect] changed because of Hellenistic influence.<br /><br />See <a href="http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=567&letter=H" rel="nofollow">this</a>, <a href="http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=1585&letter=A" rel="nofollow">this</a>, <a href="http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=425&letter=G" rel="nofollow">this</a> and <a href="http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=1171&letter=A" rel="nofollow">this</a> to get started on the Hellenization of Judaism. <br /><br />Pindar's fragment was in an codex at the University of Central Florida. The professors name was Robert Flick. My bibligraphy entry merely states "Proitos and Danae, Pindar ff". Wish I could provide more. <br /><br /><b>Do you really think that writing in Greek changed their religion any iota?</b><br /><br />This is a yes/no question, but I suspect you want me to elaborate, so I'll just say see links above. <br /><br />And I'll defer answering your question about if I think you equate Vietnam and Judea until you answer my question about Vietnam. Even still, your question reduces to what I paraphrased above.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-65967645059561658782011-03-02T21:49:31.442-08:002011-03-02T21:49:31.442-08:00The unanswered questions for Ryan Anderson:
I ask...The unanswered questions for Ryan Anderson:<br /><br />I asked you for proof of why you think that someone like Peter would have known anything about Greek pagan myths or cared? <br /><br /><br />I still see nothing that proves that the writers of the New Testament were "steeped" in Greek culture and thought. Where is your proof? One problem that<br />gentiles had with Jews was that kept themselves so separate. I want to see you provide proof for the assertions you made.<br /><br />Where is Pindar's fragment? Where did you see it? At what university did you see it? What was the name of the Professor who taught your class? What was the name of the book you saw it in? <br /><br />Do you really think you can equate the occupation of Vietnam by French and American forces with the Roman occupation of Judea and ignore the lengths Judean Jews went through to keep themselves separate? Can you show that Greek culture changed how the Jews worshipped and thought of Yahweh?<br /><br />Do you really think that writing in Greek changed their religion any iota? <br /><br />Answer these questions because you just ignore responding to most of the points I brought up and I'll answer yours about Vietnam?mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-80085318143507665652011-03-02T19:20:05.845-08:002011-03-02T19:20:05.845-08:00And what question was that?And what question was that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-13737231779409515422011-03-02T18:24:28.250-08:002011-03-02T18:24:28.250-08:00I thought it was rhetorical. I'll answer yours...I thought it was rhetorical. I'll answer yours after you answer my questions that I asked first.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-16898078641130664152011-03-02T18:20:44.372-08:002011-03-02T18:20:44.372-08:00Idiot (mockery is absolutely appropriate here).
A...Idiot (mockery is absolutely appropriate here).<br /><br />Also, you never answered my questions about Vietnam.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com