tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post8816646268643020718..comments2024-02-29T23:54:20.606-08:00Comments on What had happen' was.....: FacePlant of the Day - Debunking Christianity: The Major Reason Why I Am a Skepticmmcelhaneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-15660192922235040812012-03-21T18:19:01.403-07:002012-03-21T18:19:01.403-07:00The fact that you can't demonstrate that your ...<b>The fact that you can't demonstrate that your assertions are true should give you pause.</b><br /><br />You continually miss that I'm not asserting anything. But given you live in an assertion soaked world, it's understandable.<br /><br /><b>Just because [...gibberish...] something is improbable is not equivalent to proving that it is false.</b><br /><br />Granted, but if something, from 2000 years ago, is EXTREMELY improbable, in the absence of extraordinary evidence, you have no reason to believe that it is true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-82924942993191237892012-03-21T16:36:20.856-07:002012-03-21T16:36:20.856-07:00In other words, "RETREAT!!! RETREAT!!! RETREA...<b>In other words, "RETREAT!!! RETREAT!!! RETREAT!!! Into the bunker of something I can't demonstrate is true, but even though others can show that it's not probably, they can't show it's not possible! RETREAT!!!!!!!" </b><br /><br />The fact that you can't demonstrate that your assertions are true should give you pause. Just because you think you can show that something is improbable is not equivalent to proving that it is false. It seems simply stupid to reject something that you can't demonstrate is false. It's you who are running and hiding.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-61847690087071096002012-03-21T16:08:49.922-07:002012-03-21T16:08:49.922-07:00a Biblically based conclusion...
Yeah, that, in a...<b>a Biblically based conclusion...</b><br /><br />Yeah, that, in and of itself, has nothing to do with reality, but punt away...<br /><br /><b>...including the fact that you haven't had the revelation and never had it.</b><br /><br />In other words, <i>"RETREAT!!! RETREAT!!! RETREAT!!! Into the bunker of something I can't demonstrate is true, but even though others can show that it's not probably, they can't show it's not possible! RETREAT!!!!!!!"</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-28607206664074696532012-03-21T10:54:35.282-07:002012-03-21T10:54:35.282-07:00It's amazing you don't believe anything an...<b>It's amazing you don't believe anything and everything, but then again, you are intellectually dishonest, so I guess it makes sense.<br /></b><br /><br />you agree that you have flawed faculties and no evidence to back up what you say, and yet claim to know that the gospels are wrong. that is intellectually dishonest. <br /><br /><b>Also "For extraordinary claims, [25 to 70 years is] too late." would be an opinion.</b><br /><br />yes, an erroneous opinion based on nothing but unsubstantiated assertions. <br /><br /><b><br />Saying "how God chose to do" something would be an unsubstantiated assertion</b><br /><br />nope. it is a Biblically based conclusion based on the facts that we have and that God is in sovereign control of everything - including the fact that you haven't had the revelation and never had it.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-1614848184336802622012-03-20T19:23:01.818-07:002012-03-20T19:23:01.818-07:00Also "For extraordinary claims, [25 to 70 yea...Also "For extraordinary claims, [25 to 70 years is] too late." would be an opinion.<br /><br />Saying "how God chose to do" something would be an unsubstantiated assertion.<br /><br />Just FYI.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-39343984401356796322012-03-20T19:19:36.765-07:002012-03-20T19:19:36.765-07:00It's amazing you don't believe anything an...It's amazing you don't believe anything and everything, but then again, you are intellectually dishonest, so I guess it makes sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-43249049020892870682012-03-20T19:11:31.484-07:002012-03-20T19:11:31.484-07:00No, that would be under:
"For extraordinary ...No, that would be under:<br /><br />"For extraordinary claims, it's too late."mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-4567296126725688222012-03-20T18:49:52.392-07:002012-03-20T18:49:52.392-07:00...about how God chose to do this.
Unsubstantiate...<b>...about how God chose to do this.</b><br /><br />Unsubstantiated assertion, see "flawed faculties".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-19019877565113828162012-03-20T18:36:36.679-07:002012-03-20T18:36:36.679-07:00For extraordinary claims, it's too late.
Sorr...<b>For extraordinary claims, it's too late.<br /><br />Sorry about your luck. </b><br /><br />I have nothing to complain about how God chose to do this. The bottom line you have no really good reason to dismiss the New Testament other than your blind faith.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-22828597465867727992012-03-20T18:34:16.587-07:002012-03-20T18:34:16.587-07:00For extraordinary claims, it's too late.
Sorr...For extraordinary claims, it's too late.<br /><br />Sorry about your luck.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-56718856074919254962012-03-20T18:21:26.551-07:002012-03-20T18:21:26.551-07:00Within one generation is not lateWithin one generation is not latemmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-1098325508439095252012-03-20T17:31:29.451-07:002012-03-20T17:31:29.451-07:0025-70 years is not late compared to the centuries ...<b>25-70 years is not late compared to the centuries of time between originals and copies of other works of antiquity.</b><br /><br />But it is late. VERY late.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-48070176129378407672012-03-20T17:23:05.267-07:002012-03-20T17:23:05.267-07:00Well I can't demonstrate it's wrong (unluc...<b>Well I can't demonstrate it's wrong (unluckily for you) just that it's very late, in a very real and relative sense. But bah! What's 25-70 years amongst friends! </b><br /><br />25-70 years is not late compared to the centuries of time between originals and copies of other works of antiquity. And it's too bad for you that you can't demonstrate the New Testament is wrong because you are just making an assumption without good evidence. Pity for you.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-72637743945626539442012-03-20T17:11:21.910-07:002012-03-20T17:11:21.910-07:00And you still haven't demonstrated that the Ne...<b>And you still haven't demonstrated that the New Testament is wrong or flawed.</b><br /><br />Well I can't demonstrate it's wrong (unluckily for you) just that it's very late, in a very real and relative sense. But bah! What's 25-70 years amongst friends!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-26929755963128158762012-03-20T17:00:13.464-07:002012-03-20T17:00:13.464-07:00It means you don't know he said it.
Also it ...<b>It means you don't know he said it. </b><br /><br />Also it means that you don't know Jesus didn't say it. You have no reason to assume he didn't.<br /><br /><b>Well, I doubt you recognized it at all, but google is your friend...</b><br /><br />So I guess that's a backhanded compliment. I'm smarter and more well-read than you thought. Kudos to me. Not too hard to know stuff you don't. Everyone has to read Shakespeare. <br /><br /><b>Of course not, they are dependent upon the flawed faculties of whoever wrote, transalted and edited them...</b><br /><br />We have so many copies and lines of transmission it is easy to see if our translations are good or not. And you still haven't demonstrated that the New Testament is wrong or flawed.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-85139211943246241012012-03-20T16:06:16.359-07:002012-03-20T16:06:16.359-07:00So what? That does not mean Jesus did not say it.
...<b>So what? That does not mean Jesus did not say it.</b><br /><br />It means you don't know he said it. <br /><br /><b>Well, if I recognize the quote correctly...</b><br /><br />Well, I doubt you recognized it at all, but google is your friend...<br /><br /><b>The point is the Gospels are not dependent on my flawed faculties...</b><br /><br />Of course not, they are dependent upon the flawed faculties of whoever wrote, transalted and edited them...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-17182757167613336182012-03-20T10:54:33.590-07:002012-03-20T10:54:33.590-07:00Well, given the gospels are not written by this Je...<b><br />Well, given the gospels are not written by this Jesus character,</b><br /><br />So what? That does not mean Jesus did not say it. <br /><br /><b>anything Jesus supposedly said is more Julius Caesar saying "I hear a tongue, shriller than all the music,<br />Cry 'Caesar!' Speak; Caesar is turn'd to hear." than anythigng actully attributed it him.</b><br /><br />Well, if I recognize the quote correctly, that's from Shakespeare's play - which we know was not even meant to be a quotation of anything Caesar said, while the quote I referenced is attributed to the historical Julius Caesar. The fact that you are trying to connect the two to cast suspicion on the reliability of the Gospels should be beneath you. I'm not surprised that it isn't. You have nothing else. <br /><br /><b>But again, regadless, you're still stuck in the "flawed facilities" Rabbit hole. </b><br /><br />The point is the Gospels are not dependent on my flawed faculties which are no worse that yours. However your song-and-dance objections are based on your flawed faculties.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-49238566477584059102012-03-20T05:05:45.630-07:002012-03-20T05:05:45.630-07:00Only if you can show that Jesus did not say that G...<b>Only if you can show that Jesus did not say that God must be revealed to you.</b><br /><br />Well, given the gospels are not written by this Jesus character, anything Jesus supposedly said is more <i>Julius Caesar</i> saying "I hear a tongue, shriller than all the music,<br />Cry 'Caesar!' Speak; Caesar is turn'd to hear." than anythigng actully attributed it him. <br /><br />But again, regadless, you're still stuck in the "flawed facilities" Rabbit hole.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-91064407957803393152012-03-19T21:16:49.879-07:002012-03-19T21:16:49.879-07:00Only if you can show that Jesus did not say that G...Only if you can show that Jesus did not say that God must be revealed to you. And if you can show that Ceasar did not say the things attributed to him. Go ahead. Waiting.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-87809963025342151612012-03-19T21:09:48.198-07:002012-03-19T21:09:48.198-07:00While you are at it, Why not demonstrate Julius Ca...<b>While you are at it, Why not demonstrate Julius Caesar did not say...</b><br /><br />This only hurts your case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-50722070084235605962012-03-19T21:00:16.968-07:002012-03-19T21:00:16.968-07:00You'd have to demonstrate that the Gospels are...You'd have to demonstrate that the Gospels are wrong in order to say that. In other words you'd have to show that Jesus did not say that. While you are at it, Why not demonstrate Julius Caesar did not say "Fortune, which has a great deal of power in other matters but especially in war, can bring about great changes in a situation through very slight forces."<br /><br />Read more: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/julius_caesar.html#ixzz1pcsIQDR5mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-64049838593916488922012-03-19T20:58:20.244-07:002012-03-19T20:58:20.244-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-43393612368849801242012-03-19T20:50:03.366-07:002012-03-19T20:50:03.366-07:00Jesus said that revelation is...
No, someone said...<b>Jesus said that revelation is...</b><br /><br />No, someone said Jesus said revelation is the only way, but that someone's faculties are just as flawed as yours and mine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-30363362038997150552012-03-15T15:11:50.365-07:002012-03-15T15:11:50.365-07:00Right, so the obvious solution is punt to revelati...<b><br />Right, so the obvious solution is punt to revelation</b><br /><br />Jesus said that revelation is the only way we can really know God in total. It's not "punting". It's telling the truth. My faculties are just as flawed as yours. The only way we know the way of things the way God sees them is by God showing us. <br /><br /><b><br />Ah, the classic apologist misuse of reductio ad absurdum.</b><br /><br />With no rebuttal or refutation. Classic.<br /><br /><b><br />Um, how would you know? Would you like to eat your cake too? </b><br /><br />Better than your cake.mmcelhaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567242628894011776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1767816867480783958.post-89812476467654094292012-03-15T04:36:00.678-07:002012-03-15T04:36:00.678-07:00If the human brain is imperfect how can you trust ...<b>If the human brain is imperfect how can you trust your assumptions about what is probable vs improbable.</b><br /><br />Right, so the obvious solution is punt to revelation...<br /><br /><b>If you appeal the imperfection and limitation of human brain as a reason to be skeptical, then you have no have to be skeptical about every thought that comes from your imperfect brain.</b><br /><br />Ah, the classic apologist misuse of reductio ad absurdum.<br /><br /><b>Gee, an infallible standard outside of your own "internal, personal experience: would really be helpful...</b><br /><br />Um, how would you know? Would you like to eat your cake too?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com