Wednesday, July 8, 2009

Mary Jo Sharp vs. Ehteshaam Gulam Debate: Did Jesus Die on the Cross? MP3 Audio - Apologetics 315


I just found out about a great post on Apologetics 315. It's a debate between Mary Jo Sharp (on the right) and Muslim apologist Ehteshaam Gulam on the topic: Did Jesus Die on the Cross? It's a good to see a woman taking an active role in Apologetics. I have seen few women in the field and I think she can reach some people that men cannot reach. I liked the Debate. Sharp is articulate knowledgeable and explains the material really well. I've hared her arguments before but that doesn't make them any less true. There is a consensus of quite a few scholars of which is one. As for her opponent. Gulam, made me wonder what planet he is from. Instead talking about if the Tomb was empty, they seemed to focus a lot more on the question about where or not Jesus was alive after the crucifixion and did not die. I can't believe that. I think Sharp proved the fact the Jesus was dead. All the modern tools of forensics brought to bear on the texts and history show that Jesus really died - "grave-yard dead". Not knad a dead. Given what crucifixion was and what they did to you...He was dead. Don't forget that He was beaten and whipped before Jesus even touched the cross. I'm glad Gulam rejected the "substitution theory" but he seems to favor the "swoon theory" and can't seem to read what the gospels really say. I mean come'on. Sharp did a great job not loosing her cool.

You can find the audio at the following link
Mary Jo Sharp vs. Ehteshaam Gulam Debate: Did Jesus Die on the Cross? MP3 Audio - Apologetics 315

There is even a link to Mary Jo's blog, Confident Christianity, that contains a video. The video is a the following link:

Mary Jo Sharp vs. Ehteshaam Gulam "Did Jesus Die on the Cross?"


Confident Christianity also provides a great, 44-slide presentation that gives evidence for Jesus' resurrection.






No Whining!


Remember how recently Sarah Palin has decried the way the media has been dealing with covering her and her family. I agree that it sucks. It's not right. It's interesting to hear her comments regarding Hilary Clinton when she made much the same comments complaining about the media.





And for fun: Hitler Finds Out Sarah Palin Resigns

Why You Should Be A Christian. Response to Richard Carrier Pt 1/6


A well-written essay is on the internet called, "Why I am Not Christian" by Richard Carrier (on the left). It's long, respectful, and well written. It compels a response. His criticisms of Christians are well founded but his charges against God are mistaken and unfounded. The essay was written in 2006 and is divided into six parts. I'm going to interact with his responses and divide my essay also into six parts. His words will be in black and mine will be red. His Top four reasons for rejecting Christianity are: 1. God is Silent. 2. God is inert. 3. Inadequate evidence for God. 4. Christianity predicts a different universe.

Introduction

A fellow freethinker by the name of John Ransom engaged me to compose a statement of why I am not a Christian. I should summarize my case, he said, simply and clearly so everyone can understand where I'm coming from. John was especially frustrated by Christians who routinely come up with implausible excuses to defend their faith, which they don't really examine--as if defending the faith with any excuse mattered more than having a genuinely good reason to believe in the first place. Discussing our experiences, we realized we'd both encountered many Christians like this, who color their entire perception of reality with the assumption that they have to be right, and therefore the evidence must somehow fit. So they think they can make anything up on the spur of the moment and be "sure" it's true. This is the exact opposite of what we do. We start with the evidence and then figure out what the best explanation of it all really is, regardless of where this quest for truth takes us.


I would like to know who these Christians are that Carrier has been interacting with. They aren't like many Christians I know. Of course we should follow the evidence and act and believe the truth. Not all Christians accept ideas and then look for evidence to support them.This is the wrong way to honor God. God expects us to act in truth.

1 LORD, who may dwell in your sanctuary?
Who may live on your holy hill?

2 He whose walk is blameless
and who does what is righteous,
who speaks the truth from his heart

3 and has no slander on his tongue,
who does his neighbor no wrong
and casts no slur on his fellowman, - Psalms 15:1-3



John and I also shared the same experiences in another respect: when their dogmatism meets our empiricism, slander is not far behind. I have increasingly encountered Christians who accuse me to my face of being a liar, of being wicked, of not wanting to talk to God, of willfully ignoring evidence--because that is the only way they can explain my existence. I cannot be an honest, well-informed pursuer of the truth who came to a fair and reasonable decision after a thorough examination of the evidence, because no such person can exist in the Christian worldview, who does not come to Christ. Therefore, I must be a wicked liar, I must be so deluded by sin that I am all but clinically insane, an irrational madman suffering some evil psychosis.


It was wrong to assume that Carrier is knowingly being evil. We cannot look down on him as a dishonest person suppressing evidence. The Bible says that we all, before coming to Christ, suppress the knowledge that God has made known to us. We were all deluded by sin, and we can only be made free by trusting in Jesus.

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. - Romans 1:18 -25


There is nothing I can do for such people. Nothing I ever show or say to them will ever convince them otherwise--it can't, because they start with the assumption that their belief in Christ has to be true, therefore right from the start everything I say or do is always going to be a lie or the product of some delusion. They don't need any evidence of this, because to their thinking it must be true. Such people are trapped in their own hall of mirrors, and for them there is no escape. They will never know they are wrong even if they are. No evidence, no logic, no reason will ever get through to them. When we combine this troubling fact with the observation that their religion, like every other, appears tailor-made to justify their own culture-bound desires and personal vanities--as if every God is made in man's image, not the other way around--then we already have grounds for suspicion. The fact that even the Christian idea of God has constantly changed to suit our cultural and historical circumstances, and is often constructed to be impervious to logic or doubt, is reason enough to step back and ask ourselves whether we're on the wrong track with the Christian worldview.


Carrier correctly describes the errors of the Church. His charges against Christians who trust in blind faith without thinking about the implications and why they should believe are true. Some Christians have tried to use their religion to substantiate "culture-bound desires and personal vanities" such as mysognistic oppression of women and chattle slavery. No argument. But you can't use the Bible to prove that this is correct. The church has changed its ideas about God, but that does not mean that God changed. Niethert has the Bible. The Bible says the same thing as it has since 90 AD. Unforunately, many people have perverted the Gospel of Christ, while stating they are servants of Christ.


This essay will never convince Christians who have locked themselves inside a box of blind faith like this. But for other Christians out there who actually have an open mind, a good summary of my reasons for rejecting Christianity will help show why I am not a deluded liar, but an honest and reasonable man coming to an honest and reasonable decision. What follows is not meant to be a thorough exploration of every nuance and problem, nor an exhaustive account of all the arguments and evidence. Rather, it's a mere summary of the four most important reasons I am not a Christian. This is only the beginning of the story, not the whole of it.[1] That's what John asked for: a simple but well-written explanation of why I am not a Christian.


I don't think that Carrier is a deluded liar...just locked in his own "box of blind faith". I hope that my responses to his issues will show where his misunderstands are and show that there is a God and that the Bible deserves a better look as to what it says.

I shall assume here that C.S. Lewis was correct when he said "mere Christianity" consisted in the belief that "there is one God" who "is quite definitely good or righteous," "who takes sides, who loves love and hates hatred, who wants us to behave in one way and not in another," and who "invented and made the universe." But this God also "thinks that a great many things have gone wrong" with the world and thus "insists, and insists very loudly, on our putting them right again," and to this end arranged the death and resurrection of "His only Son," Jesus Christ, who is or embodies or represents the Creator, and can alone "save" us from "eternal death" if we now ask this Jesus to forgive our sins. That's as quoted and paraphrased from his aptly titled Mere Christianity.

I will accept C.S. Lewis' definition of Christianity as Carrier has defined it.

If this is what Christianity is (and most Christians appear to believe so), there are four major reasons why I do not believe a word of it. And all four would have to be answered with a clear preponderance of evidence and reason before I would ever change my mind. I'm serious about this, too. If all four points are ever refuted with solid, objective evidence, then any other quibbles I have beyond these four would not stop me from declaring faith in Christ. For surely any other problem I or anyone might find with the Christian worldview could easily be solved from within the faith itself--if it weren't for the following four facts.

In part 2, Carrier argues that God is silent. I disagree. I will provide evidence and reasons why we can believe and understand that God is not silent.