The FacePalm of the Day #1

A couple of weeks ago  I was challenged by Brosho7 on John Loftus' blog that I don't really follow Jesus because I've been attempting to talk to people about Christ on Loftus' blog and no body there wants to listen or hear it. I agree that many people there don't want to have their ideas or worldviews challenged. Brosho7  said that I wasn't following Jesus' words in Matthew 7:6:

 "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces."

I asked Brosho7 if he was calling himself and all other atheists and agnostics on the blog "swine". I then told him if he was willing to admit to being swine I  would never post on Debunking Christianity again. I admit that I don't think of anyone there as being unworthy of the Gospel or as good as pigs, so I knew BroSho7 would not  go there.  And he didn't. As a matter of fact the comment hung out there for over a week without a comment form anyone. He brought it up again on Monday, and I issued the same challenge.

Much to my surprise another commenter GearHedEd wrote today. His comment wins my "FacePalm of the day" award because it's just bad.

Oh, yeah...


Oink, oink, oinkity oink, Marcus.

I'm a pig.

Now go away like you promised.

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Posted by GearHedEd to Debunking Christianity

at September 21, 2010 6:17 PM

So GearHedEd would rather admit to being a pig to give himself an out rather than to continue discussions. He actually did me a favor of showing just how lost he really is. I am going to do as I promised and not post anymore comments on Debunking  Christianity anymore. I'll just keep praying for the people there that God would save them and heal them. and protect them. A mindset like that can only be changed with the grace of God.

Debunking Christianity: Quote of the Day, by Erkki

John Loftus re-posted the comments from one of the comments made by one of his readers who goes by the name Erkki. Obviously, Loftus thinks that this is a well-reasoned argument.

Punishment has to serve a purpose, other than satisfying the punisher's lust for vengeance, in order to be of use. However, the Biblegod's version of punishment means that if you don't believe, your punishment never stops. It's pure vengeance. Unconditional love means that you use punishment only to correct and reform the wrongdoer. It's still tough love enough, for punishment is always tough to go through, but of course temporary, corrective punishment for sins is "too vanilla" or "too soft on sin" to please the conservative/fundamentalist segment of Christianity, heh. There's that lust for violence in the believers who adamantly preach that anyone who doesn't believe as they believe go to hell. It's a perversion, really.
I'm an atheist and I'm opposed to any religion that teaches the monstrosity of everlasting hell. So revolting is this concept that I can't see why any rational human being could accept this fear-mongering nonsense. But I'm sure if God exists, he's much nicer than the religious fanatics portray him to be. And more willing to correct even the worst villain ever and punish him only to cleanse him of his sins altogether. Because this is true love: to redeem even the worst among humans. Otherwise Satan or whoever is responsible for making humans sin is more powerful than God himself.

There are several points here I think are missed by people who holds Erkki's view of God's nature, character, and what hell is.
1. Hell is not just about punishment. No one goes to hell for what they did but because of what they are - sinners. We all deserve to go to hell. We all have earned God's wrath because we are not holy.
2. Think about what Erkki is saying: Unconditional love means that you use punishment only to correct and reform the wrongdoer. It's still tough love enough, for punishment is always tough to go through, but of course temporary, corrective punishment for sins is "too vanilla" or "too soft on sin" to please the conservative/fundamentalist segment of Christianity, heh. Who said? How was this conclusion reached? We have a characterization of "unconditional love" given without any proof that it's correct. I would argue that God has provided the means so that we can be cleansed of sin and be with Him forever - Jesus' atoning sacrifice and resurrection. Why should God allow you to avoid hell if you reject his grace and demand that you do it your own way?
3. How is this fear-mongering? How is this nonsense? Do you let people come in your house and do whatever they want no matter what you think? Nope. We live in God's universe. Why would God not have the right to enforce His will and standards regardless of what you think of those standards? He has every right.
4. What is there to fear if you obey God? In Jesus there is no condemnation. If hell frightens you, just put your faith in Christ. Simple.
Debunking Christianity: Quote of the Day, by Erkki

Answering Muslims: Pastor Speaks the Truth about Islam

Nabeel has posted a great video of  Dr. Jeffress making comment about Islam that has not cost him a lot of insults and character assassination. I'm wondering how long will it be before the only people you can publicly and strongly disagree with will be Christians without ridicule.


Answering Muslims: Pastor Speaks the Truth about Islam

Pés Descalços Evangelismo - Servos de um Soberano Deus: O Cristianismo é Verdadeiro? - 23 Ensaios

Oh well I just found out from a tweet from Brian Auten that the series of essays he published and I contributed to is going to be translated to Portuguese! Wow. I never imagined. However many of the articles should be spread widely and translated to as many languages as possible.

Pés Descalços Evangelismo - Servos de um Soberano Deus: O Cristianismo é Verdadeiro? - 23 Ensaios

Use this link to read the post in English.

Brian has already made good on the promise to collecting the series into a free e-book. Here is my post on it containing a link to get it in English.

Apologetics 315: Apologist Interview: Ellis Potter

Yesterday Brian Auten posted an awesome interview. He interviewed Ellis Potter a man who came to Christ through a very interesting life path. I enjoyed listening to his testimony. I enjoyed listening to his advice also. There was so much there that I can use. I highly recommend listening to this interview!

Apologetics 315: Apologist Interview: Ellis Potter