Come and Get it: Temptation in the Bible.

At the blog post, linked to at the end of this post, a discussion on whether or not has again broken out if the Bible has contradictions or not. I again challenged Ryan Anderson to provide a single example. He responded with:

Just for fun (not that witnessing you debase yourself is fun...)

How about James 1:13 vs. Genesis 22:1

Obviously the authors are talking about different gods, but I'd "love" to hear your desecration of language and common sense.

Yes, let us indeed have some fun. First, let's look at what the text (KJV) says,


1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said , Behold, here I am.- Genesis 22:1


Versus


13 Let no man say when he is tempted * , I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted * with evil, neither tempteth he * any man: - James 1:13

So Anderson is saying that both passages seem to be referring to two different gods one who tempts humans and one who doesn't. I think that he is mistaken because he is assuming that both passages are talking about the same kind of "tempting:". This assumption cannot stand. Compare this with the NIV:

22 Some time later God tested Abraham. He said to him, “Abraham!”

“Here I am,” he replied. - Genesis 22:1


Versus


¹³ When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; - James 1:13


Hmmm...The NIV translators use :"Testing" not "tempting:" in Genesis22:1. Which is correct?  Well let's look at the Hebrew word used in Genesis 22:1


The word is   and it means:

to test, try, prove, tempt, assay, put to the proof or test

1. (Piel)
   1. to test, try
   2. to attempt, assay, try
   3. to test, try, prove, tempt 

So both translations are correct but given the context the text is referring to testing Abraham, not to do evil or to find out what Abraham would do but improve him like the way burning silver ore purifies it. When God tests us its for us to succeed ultimately, not fail.  In James, the context is definitely concerning temptation as in temptation to do evil in the context of the passage. Look at verses 13 and 14.

¹³ When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; ¹⁴ but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. - James 1:13-14


The shortest and most complete definition of evil is: That which transgresses and contradicts God. In obeying God you can't do evil. Which is why it is silly when people try to argue that God's laws are whimsical or that He can change His mind. As if what's evil today, would please Him tomorrow. Therefore the words here the KJV translates with the English Word tempt can't be the same concept. IF Ryan had bothered to read further maybe he would have realized what "tempt" means in James 1:13-14. 


So for completeness let's look at the Greek of James 1:13-14. The word translated "tempted": is  .It means:

1. to try whether a thing can be done
   1. to attempt, endeavour
2. to try, make trial of, test: for the purpose of ascertaining his quantity, or what he thinks, or how he will behave himself
   1. in a good sense
   2. in a bad sense, to test one maliciously, craftily to put to the proof his feelings or judgments
   3. to try or test one's faith, virtue, character, by enticement to sin
      1. to solicit to sin, to tempt 1c
   4. of the temptations of the devil
   5. after the OT usage
      1. of God: to inflict evils upon one in order to prove his character and the steadfastness of his faith
      2. men are said to tempt God by exhibitions of distrust, as though they wished to try whether he is not justly distrusted
      3. by impious or wicked conduct to test God's justice and patience, and to challenge him, as it were to give proof of his perfections.

We can see how the word is used in the Old and New Testaments. James 1:13  is definitely referring to how God does not get people to sin. And in Abraham's case it's about demonstrating and increasing  his character. Today we don't use the word "prove" the way the definition above does but we must still see that is what God does even today for His people.

So, Mr Anderson, your mistake is that you don't understand what the authors of the Bible were talking about and not that they contradict each other.

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FacePlant of the Day - Debunking Christianity: A New Meme, The Oblivious Christian Apologist

It's so cute when John Loftus attempts humor while on his crusade against Christianity. He posted the following meme attempt and linked to more.

I immediately had an issue with this but not for just the reasons that some people made in the comments.



They point out "rejection" and "criticism" cannot be conflated and still make sense, but I think that there is another issue. What does the fact that some Christians think it's okay to reject and criticize Islam but never read anything of the Qur'an have anything to do with Atheists being ignorant about the Bible? It doesn't. You should not reject other people's beliefs and tell them to change those beliefs if you don't know what those beliefs are.



As for the other meme:

Three problems. First, I think the author is confusing scientists with atheists. Not the same thing. Second, no Bible believing Christian believes that God made the universe using magic. No, that sounds like atheists who think that the universe brought itself into existence. Third, Biblical faith isn't blind. Oh and for free, Christians do not believe that God  cares and loves only us. He loves everyone who has or ever will exist. That's not arrogance. Claiming that all scientists are atheists? Now that's arrogant.



And here is another Loftus linked to.

Atheists prove that they don't have an objective foundation for Morality, but Christians are not arguing that God has an objective touchstone for His morality. Christians believe that God is the grounding and foundation for morality.



Epic failure.



Debunking Christianity: A New Meme, The Oblivious Christian Apologist