Did God Make Day and Night Before He Made The Sun?

Here is Shane's next problem: My Response is in red.


Here is another descrepency.

Genesis 1:3, "God said let there be light, and there was light. God saw that the light was good. Then He seperated the light from the darkness. God called the light "day" and the darkness night".

So as of the first day of creation week, we have day and night. The scripture even verifies this by saying afterward-"And evening and morning came, marking the first day"!

Yet, we have in Genesis 1:16, "God made two great lights-the larger one (sun) to govern the day, and the smaller one (moon) to govern the night".

So we have here, God creating day and night on the first day of creation week....but God does not make the sun until the fourth day of creation week?

How was it that day and night existed before the sun was even created.....?

We now know in this modern age, that day and night are reconciled with the sun....the sun is our only source of light.

We now know in this modern age, that the moon is not a light....the moon only reflects the sun's light thats it!

It seems pretty obvious that the author of Genesis was not a divinly inspired person.

More likely, the author did not relize the immense size of the sun thousands and thousands of miles away, and did not realize it was the sun itself which gives us our only source of light.

More likely the author did not realize the moon was not a light in and of itself, the moon only reflects the suns light!

It is easy to see why the author would not realize these things. If we never developed the sciences and understandings we have today, we would probably think the same things based on our limited observations.

The first thing I need to say is that I am not an young earth creationist. I think evidence points to the the earth being more than 6000 years old...a lot more. That being said I think that the fact that evening and morning are discussed before the sun is visible tells us that "day:" or ("yom" in Hebrew) must mean something different than a 24 hour day because without the sun how would you know if its evening or morning. Add to that I think that most people look at the Genesis account being told from the point of view of some one standing in orbit and viewing what is happening on earth. However this is not the reference point from which the events are described, It  says that God hovered above the waters. A lot of detail is skipped between verse 1 and that point, but let's start at that point. If someone had been above the waters what would they have seen? Sciences says they would see the earth cloaked with a think layer of gas blotting out the sun. and the stars and the moon. From the standpoint of verse 4, the moon, sun and stars were just made visible at that point just like we know from science that happened.  I agree that the author did not how far away the sun was or the star or that the moon was reflecting sun light. So? Shane, is it your contention that the author was saying the sun was not millions of miles away or that the moon did not reflect sunlight?  I think not. It is describing what a person would have seen had they been on earth at that time (floating in the air with God above the waters  before land was created). It's not trying to give us every single detail or explanation. Does this conflict with science? No. Do all Christians agree with me? No. But although this is a controversy is doesn't show the Bible errant and it's not a salvation issue. Interesting? Yes. I think that this is what science is: Figuring out how God did it.

Real-Life Dreadnoks Foiled By Real-Life Snake-Eyes - ComicsAlliance | Comics culture, news, humor, commentary, and reviews

Image via Wikipedia

Real life is always stranger than fiction. No one could have made this up!

This morning's Sydney Morning Herald:

The men tripped the 27-year-old student, kicking him as he lay on the ground and grabbing his mobile phone and iPod.
What the assailants did not realise was that they were standing outside Ninja Senshi Ryu - western Sydney's ninja warrior school.
They also failed to notice a ninja, Nathan Smith, standing in the shadows outside the dojo. Mr Smith immediately alerted his sensei, or teacher.
Kaylan Soto, a sensei with 30 years' Ninjutsu training, and three of his students raced out of the dojo towards the startled attackers. All five crusaders were clad in the ninja's traditional, all black uniform.

I mean think of it real-life thug that remind anyone my age of Cobra's Dreadnoks getting stomped by ninja! In Real life! I wish someone had gotten that on video! Yo, Joe!


Real-Life Dreadnoks Foiled By Real-Life Snake-Eyes - ComicsAlliance | Comics culture, news, humor, commentary, and reviews

Iron Sharpens Iron: R.C. Sproul: Tough Questions Christians Face

Iron Sharpens Iron was two part show last Wednesday May 19! Not one but two great interviews. A great show.

In the first part RC Sproul was interviewed about the 2010 Ligonier Ministries conference. I hope it's going to recorded and archived somewhere because I can't go. Sproul talked about where evil comes from, how to answer how you can be happy in heaven if you know some of your loved ones went to hell, and a couple of other great stuff.

In the second interview, Ken Jones was interviewed. He talked about how as an African American Christian he came to embrace reformed theology. It was an awesome show. Pastor Jones is one of the contributors of Glory Road, which I am beginning to read now.



Iron Sharpens Iron: R.C. Sproul: Tough Questions Christians Face

Iron Sharpens Iron: "Saturday or Sunday: Which Day is the Christian Sabbath?" A Debate Between Baptists (Part 1)

Last week on Iron Sharpens Iron, for four days there was a debate between two pastors regarding if we should be worshiping on Saturday or Sunday. It is really good!!! Here is a description written by James Swan.

Rod Henry: "Saturday is the Christian Sabbath!"

Rod Henry is pastor of Next Step Christian Church (Seventh Day Baptist) in Thornton, Colorado. Rod's first calling was to be a missionary to the Philippines, where he did evangelism, church planting and developed a program for training Filipino pastors. He is author of The Filipino Spirit World: A Challenge to the Church . Rod received his Master of Theology (ThM) degree in the field of Missions from Fuller Seminary. For 14 years he served as Director of Extension, Director of Pastoral Services, and Interim Executive Secretary of the Seventh Day Baptist General Conference. He developed the Training In Ministry by Extension (TIME) program to train pastors in the US and around the world. He also wrote the book, The Sabbath: God’s Creation for our Benefit, which has been translated into over 10 languages.

Sam Waldron: "Sunday is the Christian Sabbath!"

Sam Waldron is pastor of Heritage Baptist Church of Owensboro, Kentucky. He is also the academic dean and the Professor of Systematic Theology at the Midwest Center for Theological Studies. Sam received a B.A. from Cornerstone University, an M.Div. from Trinity Ministerial Academy, a Th.M. from Grand Rapids Theological Seminary, and a Ph.D. from Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. Before pastoring in Owensboro, Sam was a pastor of the Reformed Baptist Church of Grand Rapids, MI (1977-2001 ). He is the author of numerous books including To Be Continued: Are the Miraculous Gifts For Today?, 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith: A Modern Exposition, The End Times Made Simple, and A Reformed Baptist Manifesto: The New Covenant Constitution of the Church, and is a contributor to the four views book on church government (see http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=sam+waldron&x=16&y=18).


DEBATE SCHEDULE:

TUESDAY, MAY 11th: Rod Henry (alone) presents his case for the Saturday Sabbath (listeners may call in @ 631-482-8300).

WEDNESDAY, MAY 12th: Sam Waldron (alone) presents his case for the Sunday Sabbath (listeners may call in @ 631-482-8300).

THURSDAY, MAY 13th: Sam Waldron cross examines Rod Henry (first half-hour), then Rod Henry cross examines Sam Waldron (second half-hour): NO calls from listeners.

FRIDAY, MAY 14th: Rod Henry cross examines Sam Waldron (first half-hour), then Sam Waldron cross examines Rod Henry (second half-hour): NO calls from listeners.

We are arranging another 4-day debate on "Iron Sharpens Iron" in July, God willing, between John Reisinger of Sound of Grace Ministries (a non-Sabbatarian Baptist) & Sam Waldron on the theme: "Is the Decalogue for the New Covenant Church?"

Iron Sharpens Iron: "Saturday or Sunday: Which Day is the Christian Sabbath?" A Debate Between Baptists (Part 1)
Iron Sharpens Iron: "Saturday or Sunday: Which Day is the Christian Sabbath?" A Debate Between Baptists (Part 2)
Iron Sharpens Iron: "Saturday or Sunday: Which Day is the Christian Sabbath?" A Debate Between Baptists (Part 3)
Iron Sharpens Iron: "Saturday or Sunday: Which Day is the Christian Sabbath?" A Debate Between Baptists (Part 4)