Some atheists do believe in ethical absolutes, some don’t. My answer is a bit more complicated — I don’t believe that there are any axiological claims which are absolutely true, except within the context of one person’s opinion.This is shocking to me. I don't believe that there is anything else any atheist who is sane and yet consistent to his/her worldview could possible say. It's terrible but unavoidable. One of Mariano's arguments was:
That is, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and so are ethics. So, why is Adolf Hitler wrong? Because he murdered millions, and his only justification, even if it were valid, was based on things which he should have known were factually wrong. Why is it wrong to do that? Because I said so. Unless you actually disagree with me — unless you want to say that Adolf Hitler was right — I’m not sure I have more to say.
Now, what the atheist said is not true anyhow. Why not? Because, by his very own definition, there are no axiological claims which are absolutely true, except within the context of one person’s opinion. Thus, since we are considering his claims from outside of his opinion, we can determine that his statements are not absolutely true. In fact, claims which are made within the context of one person’s opinion are not absolutely true as, by definition, truth is absolute or else it is not truth.Brilliant. Mariano wrote an amazing answer that totally points out one of the glaring flaws in Atheism. Check out his article. I have never heard a good answer from an atheist to the challenge of this line of reasoning.
Why was Adolf Hitler wrong? - National Messianic Jewish | Examiner.com
You "have nothing to say"? Do "atheism" allow mass murders to exist? Your way of thinking is frightening and absurd! We see what happens in the world because those "atheists"!
ReplyDeleteSo, Abe, why was Hitler Wrong? And some Atheists commit mass murder just like some who claim to be Muslim or Christians.
ReplyDeleteMarcus, atheists don't commit mass murder, only closet christians or muslims who claim to be atheists. You see, it's impossible for a true athiest to commit mass murder.
ReplyDeleteSounds pretty stupid, right?
Marcus, atheists don't commit mass murder, only closet christians or muslims who claim to be atheists. You see, it's impossible for a true athiest to commit mass murder.
ReplyDeleteSounds pretty stupid, right?
Yup...good thing I wasn't trying to say anything of the sort.Question still stands: Why was Adolf Hitler wrong?
Yup...good thing I wasn't trying to say anything of the sort [No True Scotsman Fallacy].
ReplyDeleteWrong, Atheists commit mass murder just like some who claim to be Muslim or Christians.
Are you really dumb enough to think that the sentence means all atheists?!
ReplyDeleteGuess so.
No dummy, all atheists??? Do you even know what the no true scotsman fallacy is? It's not the part about the atheists, it's the part about those that "claim" to be christian. You could never allow yourself to just simply says "Atheists commit mass murder just like some Muslim or Christians." Thus, no true scotsman fallacy.
ReplyDeleteNo dummy, all atheists??? Do you even know what the no true scotsman fallacy is? It's not the part about the atheists, it's the part about those that "claim" to be christian. You could never allow yourself to just simply says "Atheists commit mass murder just like some Muslim or Christians." Thus, no true scotsman fallacy.
ReplyDeleteOk, so you've scored a point. I can see now how you have misinterpreted what I said. What you I should have written was:
Some Atheists commit mass murder just like some Muslim or Christians.
Happy now? Now that we are done with this distraction how about we return to the point of the post: WHY WAS ADOLF HITLER WRONG?!
So Christians, the "Born again" kind, can commit murder?
ReplyDelete“What's to prevent us from saying Hitler wasn't right? I mean, that is a genuinely difficult question”
ReplyDelete—Richard Dawkins
Ryan, I asked you a question. Answer mine first. And then I will answer yours.
ReplyDeleteCan you do better than Richard Dawkins did?
I'm getting to it, but it requires you answer mine. So Christians, the "Born again" kind, can commit murder?
ReplyDeleteI asked you first. But since you are chicken: Read 1st John.
ReplyDeleteI'm asking you given this comment of yours...
ReplyDeleteWhat you I should have written was:
Some Atheists commit mass murder just like some Muslim or Christians.
The answer to your question is in 1st John.
ReplyDeleteNow what about answering mine.
WHY WAS ADOLPH HITLER WRONG?
Yeah, you are going to have to be more specific (the verse in question) because I'm not reading the whole epistle and then trying to guess what you mean. It would be better indeed if you could show the capability of rational thought and state why in your own word.
ReplyDeleteSee my answer at http://mmcelhaney.blogspot.com/2011/10/bring-it-so-christians-born-again-kind.html
ReplyDeleteWhere is yours?
Here it is http://mmcelhaney.blogspot.com/2011/10/bring-it-so-christians-born-again-kind.html
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