Friday, December 24, 2010

The atheist war on Christmas is in full swing | True Freethinker

Mariano wrote a great series of articles about the agendas of some atheists to stand against Christianity. They seem to hate God. I don't get how there good be such hatred against something that they claim does not exist. This is a great series well worth reading. One of the easiest ways to attack Christians is to attack Christmas.

The atheist war on Christmas is in full swing | True Freethinker
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FacePalm of the Day # 40 - Debunking Christianity: Consider This, God is the Ultimate Troll ;-)

John Loftus has posted a link to an article written by Robert Wabash. The article has an introduction to which a FacePalm is the only possible response.

The Judeo-Christian God is an epic troll. If you grew up Catholic, Protestant or at all Christian, then most of these iterations of this meme will hit home hard. These are all questions we've asked ourselves, our pastors and our parents that can be answered with the fact that the Judeo-Christian God, as a character, is a mean, troll-like, hypocritical butt-face. Enjoy the best of the "Advice God" meme, just in time for the holiday season.

The article fails so much. It doesn't define what a "troll" is at all. Instead it just god-hating and bashing at its worst. Scripture twisting and misrepresentation at it's best. I'm tempted to leave it here but I think it might be instructive to explain why it's twisting.scripture into a pretzel. I have the original post below:

Here are the arguments put forth.The authors the picture of God from Michealangelo's painting, puts what he thinks Christian claim on top, and the contradictory fact below.  Let's see if they hold any weight or based on stupid presuppositions. If Wabash thinks that these points prove that there is no god, I agree. The god he is discussing does not exist. He's not describing the same god in the Bible.

1.Help Actresses win awards. Do nothing about world hunger.
 Who said that God has done nothing against world hunger? Honestly, the people who are starving are starving out of politics and economics. If we really wanted to feed everyone we could literally feed most if not all of them if the people who had all the money and power would allow it.  God has given us what we need.

2. Wrath is a sin. Blow up cities to show who is boss.
Where does the Bible say anger is a sin? It doesn't.  And God has the right to judge any city or person and deal out punishment as He sees fit.

3. Bow before me. I need attention.

God doesn't need anything. Obviously, Wabash does not understand why God deserves worship.

4. Create Homosexuals. Ban Homosexuality.

God did not create anyone to be homosexuals. In addition, like any sin, God can save you from it.

5. No worshipping Idols. Hang crosses in your Home. 
 A crucifix is not an idol unless like any image it become more valuable than what it is supposed to represent. An idol is anything that you make more important in your life than God.

6. Omnipotent. Perfect. Jealous.
God is not jealous of anyone or anything. He is jealous for you not of you. It's the kind of jealousy a man should have for his wife (and vice versa). It's righteous and not sin to desire what is yours. Jealousy is bad when you desire something that belongs to someone else.

7. Create World for Human. 70% salt water.
If the earth did not have that much salt water, we would all die.

8. Make Old Testament Law.  Ignore some of it.
This point has been brought up many times and answered. Mariano Grinbank wrote an excellent response. Read it here.

9. MY Book was written by me. As much as Paris Hilton's was written by her.
 19 We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.  - 2 Peter 1:19-21

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.- 2 Timothy 3:15-16
10. Unconditional Love. With Conditions.
Love is never without conditions. For example: If you don't put yourself into a position to be loved, you cannot be loved. God's love is unconditional from the stand point that He first loved us! Being loved does not mean that you are exempt from the consequences of the decisions we make. When God protects us from those consequences that is just mercy and grace - not a right

11. Forbid the eating of Pork. Make Pork delicious.

Seriously?!! See number 8.

12. I made you that way. I hate you because of it.
No where does the Bible say that.  God didn't make us sinners. 

13. Create the Universe. Wait 14 Billion years to tell some people in the desert what to do. 

Who said that the were was anyone to talk to during the time.  WE don't really know how much time passed between God said "Let there be Light" and Adam drew his first breath. It could have been 10 Billion years.  You have no way to prove that assertion.

14. Tell how I created the universe. Conveniently leave out the the first 10 Billion years. 

See number 13.

15. Born in non-Christian country...DOOMED.

So...NO ONE...who became a Christian was ever born in an non-Christian country?!!! Now that is a stupid statement.

  24 “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. 25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else. 26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. 28 ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.' - Acts 17:24-28

16.  At first you don't succeed,  Kill everyone. 

Who said God ever failed at any time?  I'd like to see proof of God attempting to do something and failing.

17. Evolution is not real. Unless they prove it, then it was plan. 

Evolution - and I mean common descent, not natural selection,  -  has not been proven. 

18. Know everything. Prevent nothing. 

 Again how do you know God prevented nothing? If God did prevent something you wouldn't know because it didn't happen.

19.  Create a plan for people to follow. Judge them.

He made us. He sustains us. God has every right judge us. 

20. AIDS is killing people world-wide. No condoms.

The Roman Catholic Church says no condoms. The Bible does not say that.  What God did tell us was every man should have his own husband and every wife her own husband. Let's be honest, if we followed this would we have so many aids cases if we gave up fornication and adultery?   Yes, it will mean that there will be a lot of people not having sex, but given the alternative, isn't God's way better? Yes, yes it is.

21.  Destroy Satan? Nah, we are cool now. 
If God destroyed Satan now, he would have to destroy me, you, and Robert Wabash - to be just. Instead, God has decided to save some of us instead of all of us getting what we deserve.

22. Thou shall not kill. Crusades.

The commandment was against murder not killing. And no where does the Bible call for anything like the crusades.

23. Demand Adam and Eve follow a rule that requires the understanding of right and wrong. Don't give Adam and Eve knowledge of right and wrong. 

Nope. All the rule required was obedience. They could have obeyed God and they chose not to 

24. Children eat apple. 4000 year-old grudge.

It wasn't an apple...Adam and Eve were not children....and it's not a grudge. God does not hate us. He hates sin. We are the ones who are needy. Not God.

25. Give humans impure thoughts. Forbid them from having impure thoughts. 

God does not give us impure thoughts. 

 13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14 but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. - James 1:13-14

26. Do not covet your neighbor's ox . Lol...I don;'t know why, just don't, ok?

Excuse me. Maybe  Wabash does not know what "covet:" means. It mean to desire something that someone else has to the point that that is all you think about. This leads to theft and could even lead to hate and murder.

27. Create man with foreskin. Command him to cut it off.

God only demanded Jews not Gentiles to be circumcised.  It pointed to people's hearts being circumcised and not just their bodies. Go back and read number 8!

28. Kill each other. Over technicalities.

No where does the Bible command that.  People have done that but it's not God's fault but ours. 

29. Bored. Created the universe.

If Wabash does not know why God created the Universe, he should just admit it.  The Bible tells us He does everything out of the counsel of his own will  - for his own pleasure. He loved us so much that he went through all of this to make us.

30. Jews are my chosen people. The Holocaust

Really? Is the thought here that if the Jews were really a chosen people the Holocaust (1940-1945)  would not have happened?  What about 586 BC? 70 AD? Gee, it doesn't seem that being God's chosen doesn't mean nothing bad happens to you. Jew or Christian - that is the same.

31. I gave you free will.So use it exactly as I commanded you.

He gave it to us, God has every right to tell us how to use it. 

32. Accidentally make humans smart. They stop believing in me.

God doesn't do anything on accident. And who said that people don't believe in God are wise?

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; all who follow his precepts have good understanding. To him belongs eternal praise. - Psalm 111:10

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction. - Proverbs 1:7

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding. - Proverbs 9:10

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
 24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
 28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. - Romans 1:18-32

Debunking Christianity: Consider This, God is the Ultimate Troll ;-)
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