Presuppositions Presentation

Here is a lecture Dr James White gave on the presuppositions he used in a recent debate. He wrote the following by way of introduction.

I was asked to speak on the presuppositions of my debate with Robert Sungenis up in Newberg, Oregon, and here is the presentation I gave in response to the request. (The audio unsync'd for the first 2/3 of the presentation, then caught up...somehow).

Presuppositions Presentation

Iron Sharpens Iron: James R. White: The Assumption of Mary: An Analysis of the Recent Debate with Robert Sungenis

It is always great to hear what debaters think after a debate. James White was interviewed on Iron Sharpens Iron on his debate against Robert Sungenis regarding the bodily assumption of Mary. I listened to the debate last week and I think Dr. White more than proved his point. There is no Biblical nor historical reason to believe that Mary went to heaven bodily. You also cannot prove anyone in the first 4 centuries believed it - let alone taught it. This is a great interview!

Iron Sharpens Iron: James R. White: The Assumption of Mary: An Analysis of the Recent Debate with Robert Sungenis

Quick Report from Santa Fe

Dr. White posted some cross examinations of his debates with Robert Sungenis from September 10th 2010.






Quick Report from Santa Fe

Debate: "The Bodily Assumption of Mary" Robert Sungenis vs. James White | True Freethinker

Wow, Mariano has been busy. He introduced the debates held in Santa Fe, New Mexico in which James White debated Robert Sungenis. This post I'm linking to gives links to both debates and Mariano's lecture on Rabbinic Judaism and The Baha'i Faith. Great stuff!!!!


Debate: "The Bodily Assumption of Mary" Robert Sungenis vs. James White | True Freethinker

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He Lives: If we traded him for future considerations, I don't think we'll get much

I heard about this conference from David Heddle's blog. I agree Robert Sungenis is really crazy! A conference arguing that the earth is the center of the universe?! And people are willing to pay $50 to get in?!
I find it interesting that the tag line was that Galileo was wrong and the Church, as in Roman Catholic Church  - not the Bible - was right! In a time where it can  be clearly demonstrated that we are not in a geocentric solar system - let alone universe. No where does the Bible tells us everything revolves around the earth. It was a presupposition of the Roman Catholic Church and not remotely true,. It makes sense though because Robert Sungenis' ultimate authority is not truth or the Bible but the Roman Catholic Church - its tradition and papal edicts - no worry that there is contradictions and mistakes.
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God Centered vs. Man Centered: the Dividing Line

James White's webcast today was too good not to share. He talked what really separates us from Roman Catholics and what the nature of the Gospel really is. I agree with him. This isn't a small issue. The issues Dr White covered today is what the main point of the Protestant Reformation was and should still be: God is the beginning and ending of everything and He has chosen to redeem his people from their sins. Great news!

Covered two primary texts on the program today, Hebrews 7:25 and James 2:14, but I did so in the context of recognizing the difference between a God-centered faith and a man-centered one. I drew illustrations from my debate with Robert Sungenis on the Mass that took place in Utah a number of years ago. An hour of biblical teaching, no calls, but I think one of the more important discussions we've had on the Dividing Line. Here's the program.

(I noted that the debate with Sungenis on the Mass was one of the clearest examples of theocentric faith vs. anthropocentric faith I know of. You can get the debate here).

God Centered vs. Man Centered: the Dividing Line