Monday, October 5, 2009

Ellen White: Most Often Overlooked Figure in American Women's History

Ellen G.Image via Wikipedia
Ellen White: Most Often Overlooked Figure in American Women's History
Too often dismissed as merely a minority religious figure, Ellen White intuitively anticipated the direction in which medical science would develop for the next hundred years.
http://www.associatedcontent.comarticle/670497/ellen_white_most_often_overlooked_figure.html


I do not agree with everything she said, but no one can doubt that she played a major role in American History.
Reblog this post [with Zemanta]

Sunday, October 4, 2009

Coins found with Joseph's name and image on them


Coins bearing the Biblical patriarch Joseph's name and image have been found. This is amazing for two reason.

1. Historians believed that Egypt did not use coins in commerce during the time Joseph was believed to be around.
2. It gives extra-Biblical attestation that Joseph really existed and held the prominent position the Bible says he did.

"According to the report, the significance of the find is that archeologists have found scientific evidence countering the claim held by some historians that coins were not used for trade in ancient Egypt, and that this was done through barter instead. The period in which Joseph was regarded to have lived in Egypt matches the minting of the coins in the cache, researchers said."

In Defense of the Faith Apologetic Ministry � Blog Archive � Coins found with Joseph?s name and image on them

Shared via AddThis
Reblog this post [with Zemanta]

The Truth About Justin Martyr's Argument in the First Apology

Justin MartyrImage via Wikipedia
During his debate with James White last week,  Dan Barker used, um...misused,  a quote from an early Christian named Justin Martyr to bolster his point that the early Christians knew that that they were borrowing ideas and theology from pagan sources.  Dr White, squelched the idea by showing:

1. Barker has not read all of Justin Martyr's words and
2. Barker took Martyr out of context.

Fortunately, Dr. White has posted a video presentation in detail talking about what Justin Martyr actually said and the context in which he said it.

James White wrote:

 I fully expected Dan Barker to use (or, I should say, misuse), the quotation from Justin Martyr's First Apology, and so I had invested a fair amount of time reviewing the material prior to our debate. In fact, in the video below, watch my face during Mr. Barker's opening statement when he mentions Justin. That is the smile of "Another prediction comes true." In fact, either in the #prosapologian chat channel, or maybe even on the DL, I specifically said, "I have a feeling Barker is going to try to go a different direction than he did in his book." Not that you can mind-read such things, and hence must, if you are to be an honest scholar, respond to someone's published arguments, but I just had that feeling. But I fully expected Justin to make an appearance, and since the debate was not the place to go over the entire presentation, I provide the background material here that substantiates the claims I made in the debate. I hope this will assist Christians in rebutting this common (and false) claim, found so often in popular (but equally shallow) atheistic writings.





http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=3529

Shared via AddThis





Reblog this post [with Zemanta]

Dr. Claude Mariottini - Professor of Old Testament: Moses and American History


Time has an excellent article by Bruce Feiler on “How Moses Shaped America.” This article is an adaptation of a section of Feiler’s book, America's Prophet: Moses and the American Story. The article shows how Moses, his story, his person, and the Mosaic struggle to bring freedom to a group of Egyptian slaves has inspired American politics and the ideals that shaped American history.

Dr. Claude Mariottini - Professor of Old Testament: Moses and American History
Reblog this post [with Zemanta]

Cobert vs Dawkins

Richard Dawkins giving a lecture based on his ...
I've come across a couple of apperances of Richard Dawkins on the S
WASHINGTON - APRIL 29:  (FILE PHOTO)   Comedia...
tephen Cobert show.  They are hilarious and although Dawkins is taking the ridicule good-naturedly, I've got to admit that I think he was skewered. Some of Cobert points are valid in my opinion.










The Colbert Report
Mon - Thurs 11:30pm / 10:30c
Richard Dawkins
www.colbertnation.com

Colbert Report Full Episodes
Political Humor
Michael Moore





The Colbert Report
Mon - Thurs 11:30pm / 10:30c
Richard Dawkins
www.colbertnation.com

Colbert Report Full Episodes
Political Humor
Michael Moore





Reblog this post [with Zemanta]

Dr. Claude Mariottini - Professor of Old Testament: The Bigamy of Lamech


Dr Mariottini wrote this post about polygamy and monogamy and what does the Bible have to say about it. It's really interesting reading. In my opinion, one wife is enough. I can barely do all I have in my heart for one wife, impossible to do for several!

Dr. Claude Mariottini - Professor of Old Testament: The Bigamy of Lamech
Reblog this post [with Zemanta]

Saturday, October 3, 2009

Extra-Biblical Attestation for the Darkness During the Crucifixion.

Image via Wikipedia
 One of the challenges to the validity of the Bible in general and the accounts of the Gospels in particular is the point that the Bible reports that at the time of Jesus' crucifixion a darkness covered the area - as if the sun itself took notice of the horrible crime and refused to shine in  recognition. Let's look at the passage itself.

From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over all the land. About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" - Matthew 23:45-46
At the sixth hour darkness came over the whole land until the ninth hour. And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" - Mark 15: 33-34
It was now about the sixth hour, and darkness came over the whole land until the ninth hour, for the sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two. Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last.- Luke 23: 44-46
I want to point a couple of things. We have three mentions that the darkness was 3 hours long! Some have theorized that this was caused by a total solar eclipse. However total solar eclipses are rare and don't last long. The longest solar eclipse in the the 21st century was  July 22, 2009, clocking in at 6 minutes and 39 seconds. See the wikipedia article for confirmation. Skeptics argue that the darkness during the crucifixion could not have been a solar eclipse because of the length and there is not extrabiblical mention of the event of darkness. I agree that it wasn't an eclipse. Something miraculous happened. And as for other mentions of the event outside of the Bible there is evidence!

A historian from the first century AD  named Thallus is quoted by another historian named Julius Africanus who was a Christian  in the 3rd Century. Thallus was not a Christian. Here is the quote from Julius Africanus:

On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun. For the Hebrews celebrate the passover on the 14th day according to the moon, and the passion of our Savior falls on the day before the passover; but an eclipse of the sun takes place only when the moon comes under the sun. And it cannot happen at any other time but in the interval between the first day of the new moon and the last of the old, that is, at their junction: how then should an eclipse be supposed to happen when the moon is almost diametrically opposite the sun? Let opinion pass however; let it carry the majority with it; and let this portent of the world be deemed an eclipse of the sun, like others a portent only to the eye. Phlegon records that, in the time of Tiberius Caesar, at full moon, there was a full eclipse of the sun from the sixth hour to the ninth--manifestly that one of which we speak. But what has an eclipse in common with an earthquake, the rending rocks, and the resurrection of the dead, and so great a perturbation throughout the universe? Surely no such event as this is recorded for a long period. (XVIII.1)
 Julius Africanus understood Thallus to be referring to the same darkness the reports mention. Although we no longer have copies of Thallus's work, other refer to what he said. Before someone cries "Second-hand  evidence!", there is more. Historian Paul Mair wrote a novel of historical fiction called Pontius Pilate and in the foot note he wrote



So we have 3 contemporaneous accounts to the report of darkness covering much of the earth during Jesus' crucifixion: Tertullian, Phlegon, and Thallus.

I also want to say something about the criticism that the gospel accounts can't be harmonized. You have to remember that each Gospel was written to a different audience. Matthew was written to Jews and presents Jesus as King and Messiah. This is why Jesus' words "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" were recorded because in Jewish tradition one calls attention to a whole passage by quoting the first sentence. They would understand that Jesus was calling attention to Psalm 22, and pointing out that it was being fulfilled in front of them.  Luke didn't record those words but instead focused on something Jesus said that would mean something to the audience he was writing to - the Greeks. Luke's gospel show cases Jesus' humanity. We see that Jesus was really a man. This may also be why in Luke we get the most information about Jesus' birth and humanity. Mark included this part because it is written from interviewing Peter. who was Jewish. Mark differs between Matthew and Luke and John because it is based on action. We get little background but instead we get a focus on what Jesus did. We get to see Jesus as servant. I call Mark the "Michael Bay" of the four Gospels. John tells us in his gospel that his goal is to present enough information to let the reader know that Jesus is the only way to salvation, so he didn't always present or record everything the other four did.


Lee Strobel, The Case for Christ pages 60-61

Extrabiblical Witnesses to Jesus before 200 a.d.

Added Note:  Quintus Septimius Florens Tertullianus, anglicised as Tertullian, (ca. 160 – ca. 220 AD) was really not a 1st Century Christian but a  second. Sorry for any confusion.
Reblog this post [with Zemanta]

Friday, October 2, 2009

Dr. Claude Mariottini - Professor of Old Testament: Ardi: The New Human Ancestor

The Pioneer plaque.Image via Wikipedia
Dr. Mariottini has posted a great blog post about a new human ancestor supposedly showing common ancestory with chimpanzee and other apes. Here is part of what Marriottini wrote.


Picture: Ardi

National Geographic News is announcing that scientists have found the oldest “human” skeleton which, according to the scientists involved in the discovery, refutes the view that there was a missing link in the evolutionary chain.

I find myself intrigued. I want to know more about the evidence. One thing I keep wondering...when we find so-called ancestors to humans, why are they always seem to be female?

Dr. Claude Mariottini - Professor of Old Testament: Ardi: The New Human Ancestor
Reblog this post [with Zemanta]

Hotel Sting Operation Brought Down Letterman Extortion Plot




Letterman was candid about the threats he'd received in comments he made on Thursday's taping of his 'Late Show.' Watch >>>

Hotel Sting Operation Brought Down Letterman Extortion Plot

I admire Letterman for being honest. It's hard to admit to anyone, especially the whole world on television, that one is morally corrupt...although we all know we are.

Shared via AddThis

Dr. Claude Mariottini - Professor of Old Testament: Phoebe: A Diakonos


Dr. Claude Mariottini has pointed out a great article discussing Phoebe.

Here is what he wrote on his post concerning the article:

Elizabeth McCabe of Hebrew Union College has a good article on Phoebe, a woman in the early church who appears in the New Testament as a deacon and as a leader of the church. Her article appears on the SBL Forum.
Who says the 1st Century church did not have female leaders.

Dr. Claude Mariottini - Professor of Old Testament: Phoebe: A Diakonos

Thursday, October 1, 2009

Is there a Connection Between Jesus and Scipio Africanus?




A 6th century mosaic of :en:Jesus at Church Sa...Image via Wikipedia
When critics of Christianity want to deny the historicity of Christian teachings of Jesus by claiming that we copied our beliefs about who Jesus and is and what he did from pagan mythologies they sometimes like to point to Scipio Africanus. They point to him because it is said that that he was the product of a virgin birth reported before Jesus appears on the stage of human history. This idea has been circling the internet. Here is the first example I found:

When Scipio Africanus (Scipio Africanus, for Christ's sake) is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we understand that as a myth.


Well, I decided to google "ScipioAfricanus", and I found something very perculiar: this was a man whose reality of his existence is well documented. He lived 235–183 BC. Why should you care? He was the Roman general who managed to save the Roman Empire from being destroyed in the Second Punic War against Carthage! In other words, he beat Hannibal after Hannibal managed to destroy several Roman legions. So one might imagine that the people of  Rome for generations looked up to him. The idea that his was a virgin birth seems to come from the following quote:

This bust of Scipio Africanus the Elder is at ...Image via Wikipedia

It is recorded that the mother of Scipio Africanus, the elder, had the same experience as Olympias, Philip the Great's wife and Alexander the Great's mother,... his mother had long been believed sterile and that Publius Scipio, her husband, had despaired of having children. Then, while her husband was away and she was sleeping on her own, a huge snake was seen beside her, in her room and in her bed; when those who saw this snake shouted out in terror, it vanished and could not be found. Scipio consulted the harupices about this and they held a sacrifice and gave a response that children would be born. Not long after the sighting of the snake, the woman began to show all signs of being pregnant; in the tenth month, she gave birth to this Publius Africanus, the man who defeated Hannibal and the Carthaginians in the Second Punic War. But it is much more because of his achievements than because of that prodigy that he also is thought to be a man of godlike quality.
[Aulus Gellius, Attic Nights VI. 1.1-6, 2d century AD]

 So, yup Attic Nights VI is an ancient work, written by a Roman - almost 400 years after Scipio's birth and 200 years after Jesus' birth. What's more credible? In attempt to understand how Scipio Africanus could have beaten the unbeatable Hannibal that generations afterward he gained a reputation imbued with dignity influenced by the Christian tradition. Aulus Gellius was far from a contemporary  and I could find no evidence of anyone who was alive at the same times as people who knew Scipio who thought Scipio was the son of a god.  Contrast that with Jesus. Matthew and Luke report that Jesus was virgin born (no sexual contact)  and both written withing 70 years of Jesus' crucifixion.  Matthew and Mark were not influenced by Gellius, they came first. Aside from that Alexander the Great, 100 years before Scipio, is said to have been born under the same circumstances: their moms had sex with a  god who had taken the form of  a snake! Hardly a virgin birth. What does Jesus have in common with Scipio Africanus? Nothing.

Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth
Scipio Africanus

Reblog this post [with Zemanta]

Dr. Claude Mariottini - Professor of Old Testament: What Was the Donkey Doing in Its Master’s Crib?

The Prophet Isaiah, by Ugolino di Nerio, (c. 1...Image via Wikipedia

Dr. Claude Mariottini has posted a great article discussing Isaiah 1:3. It says

“The ox knows its owner, and the donkey its master’s crib; but Israel does not know, my people do not understand” (Isaiah 1:3 NRSV).

"The ox knows his master,
the donkey his owner's manger,
but Israel does not know,
my people do not understand."(NIV)

The article discusses that fact that some translations like the NRSV makes it sound like Isaiah was saying that donkeys belong in a baby's crib. But clearly many translations including te NIV do not make the same translation mistake. I agree with Dr. Mariottni that it does seem like a translation mistake. I also think that the issue brought up that some people interpret the verse as being a prophecy of Jesus lying in a manger as a baby. I was aware of the fact that the tradition of baby Jesus, lying in a manger surrounded by farm animals is just that - a tradition. I didn't realize that there is a pseudo-gospel out there that teaches that outright. This article is great and worth reading!

Dr. Claude Mariottini - Professor of Old Testament: What Was the Donkey Doing in Its Master’s Crib?
Reblog this post [with Zemanta]

Wednesday, September 30, 2009

Comicbook World #37- Can you say 'Tactile Holograms'?


Good. I knew you could. Samax, over at ghettoManga.com has posted something very interesting! Japanese scientists have began to find ways to make holograms that can be touched! The technology apparently use ultrasonic vibrations - sound. As Samx points out the possible uses of such technology is almost limitless. One thought came to mind is when CNN used holographic communication during their coverage of the 2008 Presidential Election. I really got to get me one of those.





Comicbook World #37- Can you say 'Tactile Holograms'?

Posted using ShareThis
Reblog this post [with Zemanta]

He Lives: God's Humorous Theodicy


On David Heddle's blog, he posted a great article about what he called the two most funniest moments in the Bible.

1. When Abraham was discussing with God about sparing Sodom and Gomorrah. (Gen 18:27-32)
2. When Gideon was talking to God. (Judges 6)

I wanted to respond to this article because it really good. I liked how David points out the difference between what the Bible calls "righteous" and what we refer to as "saved" or "believers" I admit I disagree with him on his point that some people in Sodom who died could have been saved, but I do agree that none of them, or us, are righteous in the strictest Biblical sense. I'd like to think that had there been others in the city (like Lot's family) who believed and would leave the city that they would have made it too.

Here is my favorite quote from David Heddle's post:
I used to think of it this way: everybody in Sodom was wicked, all were lost. Unsaved. Reprobate. Unbelievers. Whatever term you like. But that is not necessarily the case. There may have been many saved people in Sodom—and they were annihilated along with the lost. But on that day no righteous man died. That, in fact, has happened only once.

Abraham's question to God was essentially the same as Rabbi Kushner's "Why do bad things happen to good people?" For Abraham asks, in effect, surely a holy God will not kill the righteous along with the unrighteous? God's answer to Abraham is: I won't. His answer to Rabbi Kushner is: They don't. 
Scripture agrees with this conclusion:
 9What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
 10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
 11There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. (Romans 3:9-11, King James Version)

I also have to disagree as two the 2 funniest moments in the Bible but I agree that David's choices should be on the funny list.

1. When Jesus told his opponents that in being so careful in fine-tuning the law, they missed the point - "strain[ing] out a gnat but swallow a camel."  Why do you think Jesus' enemies got so angry? They knew they were the butt of the joke.
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. - Matthew 23:23-25

2. When Peter boldly stepped out of the boat to walk on water. Jesus had to be laughing because He knew Peter would not make it all the way. Can't you just see Jesus thinking to Himself, "Watch This."?

But Jesus immediately said to them: "Take courage! It is I. Don't be afraid."
"Lord, if it's you," Peter replied, "tell me to come to you on the water."
"Come," he said.
Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus. But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, "Lord, save me!"
Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. "You of little faith," he said, "why did you doubt?" - Matthew 14-27-31


He Lives: God's Humorous Theodicy
Reblog this post [with Zemanta]

James White vs. Dan Barker MP3: Was Jesus a Myth? Debate Audio - Apologetics 315


 Announcement: The MP3 for the debate is linked to Apologetics 315

James White vs. Dan Barker MP3: Was Jesus a Myth? Debate Audio - Apologetics 315

Tuesday, September 29, 2009

Was Jesus a Myth? James White vs. Dan Barker


:en:Dan Barker playing music at an atheist con...Image via Wikipedia
I'm amazed. James White has posted his debate with Dan Barker from last Saturday. The question they were talking about  is :"Was Jesus a Myth?". I'm going to post my own review when I see the whole thing, but I wanted to post the debate first!

This debate took place on September 26, 2009, in Newberg, Oregon, between Dan Barker of the Freedom From Religion Foundation and James White of Alpha and Omega Ministries.





Reblog this post [with Zemanta]

Michael Licona Answering Bart Ehrman Interview MP3 & Video - Apologetics 315


I was so happy to find this on Apologetics 315. It's a frank discussion on the work of Bart Ehrman. from someone who has debated him twice, Mike Licona. Licona discusses what Ehrman has gone on record saying and writing (things that I have heard himself say). Licona also does a great job putting Ehrman's work in a historical conference. Some people who think that Bart Ehrman is unchallenged and Christians have no answers the problems he raises, but this is not true. Here is a great discussion about why Ehrman draws wrong conclusions from correct data that everyone agrees with. Here is the post from Apologetics 315 below and the video!
Here is a high quality video interview with New Testament scholar Mike Licona discussing the work of Bart Ehrman. From 4truth.net:
Bart Ehrman is perhaps the most influential skeptical New Testament scholar in North America. Several of Ehrman's books have become standard textbooks in many universities. His skepticism is not well-founded, however. This interview features New Testament scholar Mike Licona who answers a number of Ehrman's major contentions.

Apologetics 315 provides this as a full MP3 Audio file here. (47 minutes)
Videos here. Lots of Licona debates here.

Enjoy.








Michael Licona Answering Bart Ehrman Interview MP3 & Video - Apologetics 315
Reblog this post [with Zemanta]

Dr. Claude Mariottini - Professor of Old Testament: The Nation of a Thousand Gods

One of the best things about the Internet is that we have access to blogs and websites by scholars who can post their thoughts and ideas without having to publish whenever they want to. This is something that can't be ignored or taken for granted. For example I have found the blog of Dr. Claude Mariottini who is a Professor of the Old Testamhent at Northern Baptist Seminary. I'm excited because he posted this article about the Hittites. He is an acknowledged expert on these people who until the twentieth century, many scholars began to think were mythological. This post is great!


Dr. Claude Mariottini - Professor of Old Testament: The Nation of a Thousand Gods

Monday, September 28, 2009

William Lane Craig vs. Lewis Wolpert: Is God a Delusion? Debate MP3 Audio - Apologetics 315


I thought that this debate was interesting  and although William Lane Craig did not offer anything new that I have not heard before but I did like hearing him interact with a scientist I have never heard before this debate.

I'm amazed that Wolpert can't grasp the idea that God has no beginning but has always been and always will exist.



William Lane Craig vs. Lewis Wolpert: Is God a Delusion? Debate MP3 Audio - Apologetics 315


Reblog this post [with Zemanta]

Dan Barker Versus Dr. James White - Debate in Newberg, Oregon - Atheist Review

One of the things I appreciate about James White is that he is not afraid to point out and interact with the ideas of people who disagree with him. On his blog today, White has pointed out a review of his debate with Dan Barker from this weekend by an atheist. The writer of the article saw the debate and i have not yet. I would have appreciated more detail for why he thought that Jame White's presentation "ran out of steam"? I also would like to know why he still thinks that Barker is credible when he personally witnessed Barker denying his own book that he was still selling!? Huh? Read his article here.
Reblog this post [with Zemanta]

Sunday Quote: F.F. Bruce on Jesus Christ - Apologetics 315


Here is a great quote from the Apologetics 315 Blog.

"The historicity of Christ is as axiomatic for an unbiased historian as the historicity of Julius Caesar."

- F.F. Bruce

I don't understand Bruce asserting that the doctrines about Jesus being Lord and savior (although true) being axiomatic but the fact of his existence being axiomatic.

Sunday Quote: F.F. Bruce on Jesus Christ - Apologetics 315
Reblog this post [with Zemanta]

Thoughts on the Barker/White Mythology Debate


TurretinFan has posted his thoughts on the Dan Barker debate with James White. Reading his short report makes me excited to see the whole video. You can read his notes on the Alpha & Omega Ministries blog. I liked the first debate between James White vs Dan Barker but this one is not about God's existence but about if Christianity is borrowed or stolen from ancient mythologies. I can't wait to see how Barker looses this one as he lost the last one.
Reblog this post [with Zemanta]

Don't Quote Me, Bro! Video


Dan BarkerImage by Matti Á. via Flickr

If you have not heard, Dr. James White debated atheist, self-professed ex-christian, Dan Barker again last Saturday. Unbelievably Barker took issue at having his own book Godless quoted back to him in context. I don't get it. To add insult to injury, from what I gather, Barker was even selling the book that day in that venue. I don't get how he could have had a problem with his own writings being raised. Here is a quote from James White's blog followed by a clip.

As I noted in the previous article, Dan Barker's attempt to hide the horrifically bad argumentation he presented in his 2007 book Godless failed badly. I promised the video, and here it is (my system is currently cooking along at 162 degrees in the CPU importing the gigabytes of video of the entire debate). I note that it is a meaningless argument to claim that quoting Dan's book on the topic of the debate is tantamount to changing the topic of the debate to the book itself. For someone who prides himself in his "rational" thinking, the recordings of this debate will provide a large amount of evidence that Dan Barker often abandons the laws of logic in his promotion of the hatred of God.





source


Reblog this post [with Zemanta]

Sunday, September 27, 2009

Iron Sharpens Iron: TurretinFan: Harold Camping's Achilles Heel: Why Family Radio's Date for the End of the World is Wrong


I heard the original James White vs Harold Camping debate on Iron Sharpen Iron and I think that TurretinFan made some great comments worthy of serious contemplation. It does seriously show that Harold Camping's teaching can't be trusted!

I think TurrentinFan's point that Camping has to ignore 4 Bible verses the says that Aram was Moses' father in order to get his chronology and calculations to work to come up with Jesus' return being 2011. Doesn't work.

Iron Sharpens Iron: TurretinFan: Harold Camping's Achilles Heel: Why Family Radio's Date for the End of the World is Wrong

Here is TurretinFan's blog entry on the AOMIN blog
Reblog this post [with Zemanta]